New KLE Innovations XLR Cable


The PingPing brothers have spotted a new cable from KLE Innovations.
https://kleinnovations.com/kle-innovations-klei-products/klei-qseries/klei-qseries-xlr/klei-qflow7-x...

This one is an XLR cable and there was much excitement when first heard of. After success with Copper Harmony RCA and Absolute Harmony RCA (we shall not speak of Silver Harmony or Pure Harmony), expectation for successful XLR connector was big time. But for a company that is making best connectors, it was much disappointment to see that Neutrik XLR connectors are used on new cable. Why does this happen? Yes, Neutrik are good and cheap studio standard, but KLE Innovations advertise as ultra-high end audio company - where is KLE Innovations XLR. Disappointing.
ypingping
"A simple email to KLE Innovations revealed that Neutrik actually built the XLR plugs to KLE Innovations spec."  This is interesting!  What is spec?  Would be good to hear more about this? 

Well. yes, KLEI does not re-invent the wheel with XLRs, maybe?  But we have very good XLRs available already:  Xhadow, ETI Kryo, Abbatron - all use higher quality conductive materials than Neutrik.  So what mod does KLEI do to improve the Neutriks? 

Sadly yping, other Ping brother has not commented. I think he does not hear this cable yet - worried like me about Neutriks with nickel and brass in their construction.  But maybe when we hear about improvements, it is different story.  Perhaps modified Neutriks use tellurium copper with silver plating?

@ypingping - WRT...

worried like me about Neutriks with nickel and brass in their construction
I assume you are talking about the important part - the pins?

Looking at the neutrik web site will reveal that several models of their plugs do use silver pated pins - granted with a nickel substrate.

Except for this one...
https://www.neutrik.com/en/product/nc3mx-bag

It uses Silver plating directly onto brass (no Nickel) so it should provide better performance than the other models

Here is a review of the cable
https://www.stereo.net.au/forums/topic/290706-klei-qflow7-xlrs-and-classic-banana-review/

Seems they are quite taken by it
 
Regards - Steve



These response from Mr. Wonka confuse me. First Neutrik XLRs are specially modified for KLEI by Neutrik.  Now it seems that Neutrik plugs are very good anyway, and justified as audiophile XLR.  This is good, but why then KLEI make the Harmony RCAs?  Why not use Neutrik RCAs for ultra high end?  Because, I think, Copper Harmony and Absolute Harmony are better than Neutrik RCAs.  So where is better XLR for ultra high end? 

But some news from friend, JKG.  He emails Neutrik, and they nicely respond to him:  "Thank you for contacting Neutrik. Performance of any connector is normally highly dependent on the cable carrying the signal. With that being said, I am not aware of any modifications to our XLR for better performance. Normally users use solder as the means of connecting the cable and our connectors."  But, perhaps, he speak to wrong person?
From Mr. Wonka above: "A simple email to KLE Innovations revealed that Neutrik actually built the XLR plugs to KLE Innovations spec. "
Simple question may be asked. Is this true honest statement?  What is specification for special KLEI Neutrik XLRs?

ypingping - you misinterpret my posts...
These response from Mr. Wonka confuse me. First Neutrik XLRs are specially modified for KLEI by Neutrik. Now it seems that Neutrik plugs are very good anyway, and justified as audiophile XLR.

What I said above is
Looking at the neutrik web site will reveal that several models of their plugs do use silver pated pins - granted with a nickel substrate.
Then I go on to identify a plug that does not use a nickel substrate, just silver plate on brass pins, which should perform better than those having silver plate with Nickel substrate

So your statement below is not completely accurate and very misleading because people may chose to believe the plugs on the KLEI cables are of a lower quality as you infer in prior posts.
worried like me about Neutriks with nickel and brass in their construction
As it turns out Neutrik does in fact produce higher quality plugs using better materials that may be better suited to high end audio purposes - I did NOT say they were suitable as an Audiophile XLR

As for this statement from Neutrik via JKG...
But some news from friend, JKG. He emails Neutrik, and they nicely respond to him: "Thank you for contacting Neutrik. Performance of any connector is normally highly dependent on the cable carrying the signal. With that being said, I am not aware of any modifications to our XLR for better performance.
Any company contracting another company to build items to their spec will have them sign a nondisclosure agreement, preventing them from commenting on their specific build. So I doubt very much that the information above which JKG received was specific to KLEI related products, but more a general statement about Neutrik’s own product line.

Anyhow - I think we have beaten this topic to death but here are the facts as we KNOW them
- KLE Innovations uses "some model" of connector built to spec by Neutrik
- do either of us know the specific metallurgy used in those plugs? - NO WE DO NOT!
- do the cables using them get a good review from an independent party - it would appear so

Casting Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt (FUD) is a ploy used to discredit a product based on no actual "EVIDENCE"

I will end this post by simply asking readers to make their own judgement about the content in all of the above posts and come to their own conclusions about KLE Innovations quality and integrity
- YES, KLEI have had issues with statement on their web site in the past - this has been fixed for approximately 2 years - I think we should move on.

From MY perspective, I have auditioned lots of KLE Innovations products and found them to perform significantly better than products from some ot the BIG NAMES in the industry, such as Kimber Kable, Cardas and even Nordost, who I regard very highly.

Based on my observations of KLE Innovations products I would have to believe the observations posted in the review below are accurate

Here is a review of the cable - again
https://www.stereo.net.au/forums/topic/290706-klei-qflow7-xlrs-and-classic-banana-review/

Regards - Steve