How much discount typically for a new MC275 to expect from a dealer?


I'm not interested at this time going used. No stock in my area, I'll have to order or go out of town. McIntosh has a pretty tight grip on their dealers, so I imagine not finding any here on AG. Just curious what to expect when making an offer. I'm not going to pay full retail. Ideas, thoughts? I'm not interested in other brands or amp ideas. I'm just researching Macintosh at this point in time. 
aberyclark
I bought an MC 275 from Magnolia several years ago as a "customer return" that was taking up space in the central warehouse. I bought it, but when it arrived it was brand new-not the customer return. I thought that the retail was around $5500, but I had paid $4000. I didn't use it immediately, and couldn't even move it, so I sold it for what I paid for it.
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Some equipment is marked up so much I can never even tell if 50% off is enough of a discount.
i personally start at 20% off of list....and then leave the store and come back a couple of times and then pay 15%....always keep smiling (his rent is due on the 1st so adjust your visits.)
jrpnde- as long as you went to Binghamton, did you also go to AC in Vestal?  Also, did you have any reason to believe that McIntosh sold direct?