Anyone familiar with the Manger driver?

Duke,

What exactly would be the benefit to me in explaining my research to you?

and thanks for the apology.

Too bad we never met, Warner imaging and ATC both almost flew me to see you so you would "get it", how's that for a 'round about, people willing to spend money for me to educate you :)

isn't that funny!

Doug,

I didn't realize Warner Imaging was still in business. I used to be a dealer for Emil. Those were some very, very nice amps.

I was a dealer for ATC, and probably would be today if I hadn't started putting my nickels into my own speaker projects.

I'm still not sure how either of those companies or their products relates to what I objected to - namely, your statement that the backwave of a dipole is "100% distortion". Presenting the opposing view (and then subsequently defending it) is all I was trying to do, and obviously my skill at presenting an opposing view without it coming across as an attack needs some polishing.

I don't know you, nor anything about your research. What can you tell me, or can you point me to a website?

Thanks,

Duke

For clarity sake I think its important to note that I don't disagree with what Duke is stating other than how he is applying these theories to the subject as all encompassing explanations which is the only area I disagree. The deviation from ideal is where my point is defined, In the vacuum of the theorethical conditions Duke is correct as we know psychacoustics today.

The comment about the scale of image for example, the comment about "not being setup right" means that no fullrange Dipole system I have ever heard has been setup correctly. Because A dipole's cancellation isolates the rear wave into a distinct channel and this channel is always going to behave ideally which Duke's argeument hinges on. And its affect although pleasing still represents signal distortion as do reflections from other areas as you will find in all speakers. The inherent decoding problem of only using two speakers is another factor in this discussion and it is too complex to explain in short points. I have no motivation to write the 5000 words minimum to explain my position, only to have it picked apart for the sake of saying one's opinion about the clarity of a speaker.

Doug,

Thanks for letting me know that we aren't nearly as far apart as I had thought. I have many questions (in the interest of learning rather than debating), but as you pointed out earlier this is a Manger thread.

To Fatparrot: Looks like I pretty much ended up hijacking your thread. My apologies; I'll bow out now.

Duke

I have listened to the Manger driver for approximately 2 hours/day for the last 7 years. I have also listened to a pair of ESL's extensively for the past year. To my mind the ESL's beat the Mangers in most areas. Of course the drawbacks to the ESL's are low SPL in lower frequencies and maintenance requirements and longetivity. However, for higher output the Mangers are excellent drivers if configured appropriately. But beware, this thread contains an disproportionate amount BS. I suggest you spend the money, buy the Manger and build yourself something. This will tell you a lot more than this useless thread can do.