jmcgrogan...maybe you should re-read the Subject of the post.
It asked for opinions between the Ref1 and 17LS.
I stated previous ownership of one, asked questions about why he is changing, as well as provided questions that would help him choose the right option of the two.
You just provided ridiculous hyberbole about the brands, mentioned other brands not even asked in the subject, and clearly have zero experience with either product that the original poster asked about.
You're welcome to keep posting if your goal is to make me laugh more, but you're not helping the original poster with your hyperbole and primitive understanding of the brands in question.