An observation about "Modern" classical music.


As I sat in my car, waiting for my wife as usual, I listened to a local classical music station which happened to be playing some "modern" music. I don't like it, being an old fart who likes Mozart and his ilk. But, as I had nothing else to do, I tried to appreciate what I heard. No luck, but I did notice something I have experienced before but never thought about. At the end, there was a dead silence of 3 to 5 seconds before audience applause. This never happens with, for example, Mozart where the final notes never get a chance to decay before the applause and Bravos. Obviously (IMHO) the music was so hard to "follow" that the audience were not sure it was over until nothing happened for a while.

I know that some guys like this music, but haven't you noticed this dead time? How do you explain it?
eldartford
Lousyreeds1...Serious question...Do you feel that there are any criteria which separate "sound" from "music"? For example: how about a collage of random sound snippets, which is how some of your (___?) music sounds to me. If this is "music" could not the same be said of an assembly of sounds created by technical difficulties of a recording playback system? How do you distinguish music from sound?

To be fair I ought to offer my own answer to the question.
I have summarized my view by "I like music if I can hum it". Going further, it is "music" if it makes me *want* to hum it. Indeed, sometimes a catchy tune gets going around in your head, and you can't stop humming it! "Music" triggers a special reaction in the mind whereas "sound" is merely heard. Your mind is different from mine, so what is "music" to you may be "sound" to me. Note that my definition does not consider whether the sound has been deliberately composed by someone.
"I like music if I can hum it" - This narrows your musical choices.
Take a sonata form; you ear the theme exposition, maybe the re-exposition, skip the development (the biggest part of the composition), and click on the play at the end to ear the theme recapitulation. By this I assume that almost all the music from the Romantic Period, wich subverted and by this broadened the classical forms, like the sonata form, is not your cup of tea. Composers like Brahms, Bruckner, Schumann, Wagner, Mahler, etc, are out of your list?. And what about Beethoven ?! Not the melody type of composer for one to hum. Dam you Beethoven for beying a lousy melodist.

Music is not just melody. Melody is just a part of the music. Ok, for you the most important, but by going this way you are just hearing a small part of the musical composition.
IMHO you must try to broad your horizons, to ear the musical compositon in all of its facets, as a whole.

PS- Dont try to hum Stravinsky "Rite of Spring" cause you will get hiccups.
My original posting simply reported a fact, delayed audience response, which anyone at a live performance can verify, and which suggests to me that the audience was disconnected from the music.

I'll take a delayed audience response any day of the week to an audience that thinks they should applaud in between movements, or anytime there is a break in the sound.
Seurat...Beethoven "Moonlight" sonatta and the first four notes of the 5th are some of the most well recognized music there is. Very hummable. Of course, after he went deaf...

Brahms violin concerto is perhaps my favorite, but some of his later chamber music confuses me.

Don't we all narrow our musical choices to stuff we like?

This morning's dose (on the radio) was Prokofief voilin concerto #2. He should have quit after "Peter and the Wolf".
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Eldartford, I love Classical Music including Contemporary Classical Music, and I'm extremely pleased that you love it too. I'm just trying to get new public to modern music.

Of the examples you gave I apreciate all of them. But I must say one thing about Beethoven 5th. Althougth everyone hums this, we are talking about a rhythmic motif, not a melodic one. And he brilliantly makes a symphony out of it. Breath taking. A gigantic leap in terms of music composition. In is time the reponse to is music was very ambiguous.

Brahms is a difficult composer. Is ideas are dense and hard to grasp. Every passage, note, gesture as a key role in is big canvas of composition. Even is chamber music as a symphonic character (the string quarttets). Concentration and memory is very important for the music of Brahms to be understood. Sometimes a music diploma, unfortunately.

Prokofiev is another composer that uses rhythm as, almost, the main ingredient of is music. I'm glad he dindt stop at "Peter and the Wolf", and wrote some woderfull piano sonatas, piano concertos and violin sonatas, and ........
One of the major leaps in XX century music was in terms of rhythm.

Cheers, and continue to enjoy music you love, but I hope you open your mind to new stuff.

PS- As I wrote this Beethoves piano sonata nÂș 12 in A flat, Op 26 is being played by the great Alfred Brendel.