You know when you are dealing with a BS company....


...when you read statements like this:

"You can expect a 15% to 20% improvement in sound for each level as you move up the line. The improvements are in soundstage, resolution, realism, musical presentation, impact, etc."

Me: yeah, the humidity in my room changed from 44 to 45% yesterday, and I immidiately noticed that the realism dropped by 3.4%, yet the musical presentation actually WENT UP by 8.3%. I was able to compensate by turning the lights on in the kitchen and changed my socks. Puh, that was close.

 

 

 

kraftwerkturbo

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@jerryg123 

well Canare, Belden, and Amphenol are all audio pro audio cable brands...so already widely used. 

as for the others, sure. I bet more folks will buy them.

@kraftwerkturbo

Many audiophiles fall victim to snake oil cables...forgetting or simply not acknowledging why cables are different/may sound different.

Metallurgy - silver is the best conductor of electricity. High purity copper with lots of .999s is fine too. If the manufacturer doesn’t make fantastical claims about improvements; but simply markets their cabile as "high-quality" I think it’s worth buying, provided of course, the cost is not thousands of dollars. Consider if you will, how much food --> Swiss Chalet, other electronics, etc. you can buy with that money instead??

When an amplifier is driving a reactive load (speakers) in this case, how well speakers conform to the damping factor can impact frequency response. Some so-called "high-end" cables have been known to act as antennas and pick up noise; and in turn, they adversely influence how the speakers respond when fed power, thus altering the frequency response you hear. It's not clarity or anything magical - it's just that certain frequencies have now been attenuated or accentuated.

In particular, I have found thin CCAW wire (thin-sounding) to be much interior to high purity copper or silver, regardless of AWG. Lower AWG just means less losses; even if we can’t discern them in a repeatable manner. Hearing the difference after days, weeks, months, or even hours is simply the brain working harder at filtering the sound you hear, since you are paying more attention.

While speaker cables can sound different, the idea of improving sound quality just because of the cable (rather than the inherent performance metrics of your audio components + speakers is silly. Cables should not alter the sound, they should get out of the way and allow your audio gear perform at an optimal level.

The Grand Master Evolution SP Speaker Cable (Pair)

Only $49,500.00

Folks who buy it...believe they are now equal to Bill Nye The Science Guy.

Could have bought a half-decent Sedan.... or two average quality vehicles.

@bigtwin

I’ve had people ask me the same thing...how much do your speaker cables cost?

I tell them...$40.

Just mil-spec silver wire with good insulation. 2 sets of 2 for my speakers. 3 feet each at 12 AWG. Because it’s military specified, the range of frequencies and highest temperature the cable can reach before melting is way higher than standard/bulk copper cable rolls.

This is the same stuff used in jet aircrafts for wiring. I’m sure this is more than enough for audio applications.

Tell this to a diehard audiophile, and they still believe the more expensive/the better. "it’s about the quality." the say. "You are paying for better quality and better sound quality."

I’ve run in to so many of these audiophiles in person (at audio shops etc.) lol

Not to mention, very heavy cables place strain on speaker terminals, inputs etc.

To the layman audiophile, thicker cables always means better. Especially the garden-hose variety. It's hilarious to see believers of such cables in person...

@kraftwerkturbo

How do you figure out "spacial divergence?"

How do you figure out your *quoted* percentage of a 12%-16% improvement?

And why should I sell them? They work just fine.

"I still need to find a suitable cable for my small office, a cable that decreases the roominess by 18% so the sound fits into my space."

Okay, so you want better imaging characteristics from your speakers. That means a better sense of space or locale; to recreate the environment where the recording took place.

may need to address that too and cant use Morrow cables since theirs' INCREASE the soundstage by 15-20% each

--> where are you getting these percentages/numbers??! How do you know that is correct? 

The words you are using are not even technical in theory or practice. I don’t expect any compelling answers from you...

@coralkong

Nope, I’m not Amir.

I’m not raging against anything. Simply sharing my experience.

For the record, I’ve "tried" canare,belden, amphenol, audioquest, custom-made cables (shop owners), and yes, I did listen to high-end speaker cables at audio shops (won’t name them though, out of respect). I haven’t spent my own money on audioquest or other high-end cables.

Consider if you will...

1) The wiring inside an amplifier. Do these manufacturers of audio gear call upon high-end cable companies to provide wire?

A: No, they normally use high-purity copper wire that is tin-plated, which also protects against corrosion. Sometimes they use silver solder as well.

2) The wiring inside a speaker/crossovers. Do these manufacturers of audio gear call upon high-end cable companies to provide wire?

A: No, they use their own internally sourced wires for that. Tested to meet a standard so electrical hazards do not occur when being used.

Are you suggesting that military airforces world-wide should stop using mil-spec silver cables for wiring up their jets? If so,what is wrong with the cables I’m using?

And instead use your favourite brand of speaker cables for the job?

@invalid

True that lower AWG is useful for speakers that can dip to 2 Ω or less and have a nominal impedance of 4 Ω.

 

 

@jerryg123

A: No, they normally use high-purity copper wire that is tin-plated, which also protects against corrosion. Sometimes they use silver solder as well.

Notice the use of the word "normally." I wasn’t saying they never use silver wire or higher quality capactiors.

Everything you’ve said thus far is moot. 

Who cares what @kraftwerkturbo thinks?!

It won’t change your perception on anything, anyway.

lol why do you keep talking about Amir?

 

@kraftwerkturbo 

https://www.kenrockwell.com/audio/audiophile.htm

Not all, but some fit Ken's definition of "audiophile." I'm not naming anyone, but I've met a lot of audiophiles who truly do believe the most darnedestly stupid things about audio equipment.

@thecarpathian 

It doesn't matter. The concept is the same: higher prices = better fidelity = audio nirvana.