You are there vs. They are there


So what is the difference?  Do I have it right?

You are there: the vocal and soundstage starts at the plane of the speakers

                         and recess backward behind the speakers plane.

They are there: The soundstage is forward into the room with the vocal

                          reproduction in your room.

 

Which would you prefer?

andy2

larsman

Even if one made one's own recordings, hardly practical in most cases unless recording yourself or people you know, would the mic be a foot away? 10 feet away? At the back of the room? Totally different sound from each place. And would you be listening back in that same room? 

There are at least as many variables in recording as there are in playback. Making your own recordings gives you reference that is difficult to achieve any other way.

Can someone recommend some albums they feel presents music in the 'they are here' form?

Thanks.

@sns     +1

I think the only times I've heard sound in front of my dipole speakers is when some tracks were deliberately recorded out-of-phase to provide that effect, which I find very enjoyable.  This recording technique can make sounds appear to be behind you, and with tall speakers, sounds can appear at your ears, even.

@audiodwebe 

 

Try The Temptation album All Directions, especially Papa Was a Rolling Stone track. Also Miles Davis album Someday My Prince Will Come, especially the track Teo. Wynton Marsalis album, The Magic Hour, track Big Fat Hen. I am sure others will point you to many more. 

Phasing may have to do with it.

What if you made a speaker that was out of phase with itself?

I’ve never heard speakers that image like my Mermans and this is partially what they do.

Signal is fed to the 2251J through a choke as well as by-passing the choke so when blended, you get a composite and the signal that goes through the choke "lags" that of what doesn’t.

"In an inductor, the current lags behind the voltage. Specifically, in a purely inductive circuit, the current lags the voltage by 90 degrees. This means the peak current occurs later in time than the peak voltage." 

The contour control determines the amount of by-pass signal that blends with the choked signal.  As resistance is added, the signal through the choke predominates causing a rise in the ~1,500-2,500 band (sweetens up the vocals).  As resistance is removed, the two signals cancel each other out and the rise is removed leaving a "flat" signal.

This was done because it creates a very steep slope between the 2251J and the Heil.  These two drivers do not play nice together without some special treatment to reduce their overlap which can either cause a massive peak or massive suck-out if not handled properly.  (BTW, subsequent testing/listening shows R1 works best at about 28 ohms.)