Would You Rather Own A Good SET Amp, Or A Great Push Pull Amp?


Throwing this out there because I would appreciate the viewpoints of the many knowledgeable, and experienced audio people here. I'm really torn about a decision I am considering in this regard. And no, sorry, I cannot name the amps involved. I could lose one or both options if I publicized them here. And honestly, only the tiniest fraction of forum members would ever have listened to even one of these options. 

The speakers they would be used with can equally accommodate either of these choices per the designer/manufacturer, who I ran it by. 

Your thoughts would be appreciated. 

nightfall

@OP Unless its a 100 dB/w/M speaker, then  PP.

Every SE amp I've heard just collapses when trying to drive "normal" speakers at anything above "polite" volume levels.

Wonderful contribution from Ralph as normal; thank you.  Will just offer that PP ultralinear can be awesome.  With TV tubes (that were not available when vintage amps were built and that no current tube amp builders specify...wrongly IMO) that swing high voltage as drivers, big inducors to smooth current and eliminate the need for signal capacitance, KT77s which are specified for high voltage (can handle up to 800 volt plate voltage) and are optimized for 43% OT tap and custom specified high voltage OTs configured for 43% tap, 4xKT77 140 watt monoblocks result.  These 75 lb. beasts absolutely manhandle the Northcreek crossovered B&W Matrix 801 S2 12 inch woofers while also delivering delicacy, nuance and accuracy.

For the xenolith family, this is the right answer for our audio amplification. 

 

Ralph,

I also wanted to thank your for your always insightful and educational expertise. Your input on this topic is invaluable, and has me much closer to the direction to go in. Much appreciated, as always. 

I built SE amps for years--2A3, 300B, 845--because I could. ;-)  No feedback, no 'scope needed, just crasm in as many expensive parts as you could and eventually you could get pretty good sound.  But having developed the skills to build a really good PP amp, I'll never go back.  I'm with Ralph--a good 20-35 wpc PP amp can be a real joy.  I've settled into the Williamson design because if its tonal veracity.  For my money a moderately-powered Williamson gives you everything an SE amp offers plus a lot more in terms of bandwidth, speaker control and low distortion.

I think that it might depend on what you most find glorious in your listening.  I have owned several good to great PP amps; for many years I used the renaissance VAC 70/70, 2 parallel 300Bs per phase per side.  This amp did everything superbly well.  Eventually it needed TLC and yet more tubes (and a matched quad of good 300Bs is a bit painful) and I switched to the (SS) Pass XA 25.

The lure of tubes got me again and I have built a couple of Elekit SET amps.

The performance of the TU-8900 (with upgraded caps and OPTs) is utterly glorious, most of the time.  Its rendering of subtle details, at low volumes especially, makes one stop breathing so as not to interfere!  It does this in a way unmatched by the VAC amp.

The one technical advantage of a single ended design (or an SS amp) is that there are no OPT zero crossings.  Even in full class A, where the tubes are biased out of cut off during a complete cycle, the OPT is still at zero (given perfect channel matching) at signal zero.

I listen to a lot of chamber and choral liturgical music where the ability to reproduce ppp passages, and the decay of notes, superbly is a vital factor in my enjoyment.  The performance of full ffff orchestral tuttis is not on a par with a great pp amp, but note that my Rockport Atria speakers are rated at 87dB at 2.83v rms.