Wilson Sabrina X ... oh my God! and Jadis... or?


Well, I’ve been a sucker for high efficiency and low powered tube amps, but the other day was visiting a good store and they had several Wilson speakers; the man offered me to sit and relax enjoying the Sabrina X, with a Jadis DA-50s and... BIG MISTAKE! Cannot stop thinking in such beautiful, full, complete, non fatiguing sound, I had 2 hours of pure enjoyment, seriously Didn’t want to leave room.

So here I am sending all my stuff and getting what I really think is the final game? At the end, I’ve never listened to such expensive and fantastic speakers. Fed by the aforementioned Jadis, a Prima Luna DAC and a Innuos Zenith, a shame I couldn’t play some records, but He said He was even better with vinyl reproduction.

I started with Isaac Hayes - Close to You from Black Moses... the voice was spread everywhere the room and just came from the amp, which was in the middle of the rack, just amazing, also played some flamenco, funk, classical, Jazz, Blues, Bossanova, Samba, everything was just spot on and sounded far beyond the speakers, without losing presence in front of me, hard to explain.

Now that I’m in, and pulled the trigger for an Ivory ones, need a proper amp for a few months till my wallet recover or sell the stuff I have.

I have a Goldmund Telos 7, which is beautiful Swiss made small amp, 175wpc Class AB with a fantastic DAC inside. But wondering if going Tube path is the right thing, cause I heard such airiness, full bodied, non fatiguing and relaxed sound with Jadis that was awesome!

Thought about these ones:

-Jadis DA-50S
-Mastersound Duetrenta
-Audio Research GSI75 (someone sells to me at good price)
-VAC Sigma iq170
-EAR Yoshino 834
-Lyric Ti200
-Octave V70 Class A
-Any of RAVEN tube amps?

Solid State: (Thinking from the "most analog sound"):
-Pass Labs INT-60
-Mark Levinson 5805 
-Krell k-300i
-Boulder 866
-Coda (dunno much)
-ModWright (dunno much)
-Moon (dunno much)
-Kinki EX-M1PLUS

Not sure going Class D, although reading lately a lot about GanFet Class D amps like AGD, Java, Gato, Aavik...

I’m going integrated for now and for a few years, if it got a DAC or Phono inside, better, but can live without them inside.

What I don’t want to lose is that 3D, great body sound that valves used to give me, more into musical pure joy than High End nowadays.

Btw, speakers cables were Nordost and Crystal Cable, being the later one maybe more open and higher volume but maybe less controlled if I remember well.

Much appreciated, these Wilson left me in shock.

superelmar

@newton which principal was this as I tried it for 3 weeks and returned. Didn't have enough meat. Mimas is much better. 

I own SabrinaX speakers and use VTL tube amp and pre-amp. Have a Ayre CD player w a card to use it's DAC for streaming. I've been listening to high end systems since the early 60s when my dad had BIG Bozak speakers and Marantz tubes. I prefer listening not-loud, but loud enough that my ears start ringing after 2+ hour sessions that take me out of this world. To quote my friend (who owns SashaDAW's w a ConradJohnson amp) my system sounds "F---ing glorious" and I agree. My room is decent sized, but not big - about 15'x16' with a funky ceiling. I auditioned lots of solid state amps and none were remotely close to the VTLs. The amp has a switch in back to toggle between lower and higher power modes. Honestly, I think I could fool experienced listeners with an A-B comparsion, it's hard to differentiate. Surprised these can sound great w/o the power you'd think is necessary. BTW, speaker placement and sound treatments are very important. 

For a limited budget, my Wilson dealer recommends the Michi amps (Rotel's high-end amps). The list includes the S5 (500 wpc) and the X5 and X3. I heard the X3 with the Sabrinas last week and it sounded very nice. 

Just to make everyone jealous, I had a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to hear the SabrinaX at the Wilson factory last week -- driven by D'Agostino mono blocks, dCS Streamer, and dCS DAC. I've heard many systems and have been to several audio shows, but that was the most spectacular sound I have ever heard. Period! If you have $200k for electronics (wink, wink), I highly recommend this gear!

riche569 -   On another board a Wilson Audio principal mentioned that the Audio Research i50 is a very special (read excellent) match with the SabrinaX.

 

Riche569 - it was Bill (who posts as Metaphacts on Audioaficionado.org. Here is his quote(dated 3/16/21):

A little birdie tells me that SabrinaX and the new ARC i50 Integrated is a match made in heaven.
 

 

Looking at the comments above, VAC does not sound solid state.  It is a modern tube sound so it won't sound flabby, but is not sterile.  Bigger concern is the miserable impedance values based on the measurements I have seen for Sabrina X. Min impedance is 2.43 ohms in a beefy part of the frequency range. This is not a good profile for most tube amps.  

I would look at amps that can deliver current which will give you the cleanest, clearest bass response.  This tends to be SS but some tube designs will work.  

I have no idea what your budget is but the AVM Ovation 8.3 is amazing with a tube input stage and oodles of power.  I have people driving a lot of great speakers and it is a GOOD match for the Sabrina X.   

Naim is a nice match.  Top line power isn't huge but Naim products basically thrive at 2 ohms and will handle the impedance issues well.  You would need separates but at least they have stopped with the stupid DIN connectors and moved to XLRs.

AGD would be brilliant as it is capped more by your home breaker in terms of current draw than by the amps power supply.  Efficient and sweet sounding, this is my go to when folks are moving away from tubes but want to maintain a liquid sound.  Separates again though but all extremely small components.    

The other really interesting integrated would be the Riviera Levante.  30w in Class A, 150w Class AB and a tube input stage.  I had someone move from a VAC Master Preamp and Allnic Monos and they did not feel this was a step back as they downsized.  

Octave with the Super Black Box will do the job well.  Tube choice really matters though and I would need to check with my rep to be reminded of what he suggested.