WHY IS THERE SO MUCH HATE FOR THE HIGH END GEAR ON AUDIO GEAR?


It seems like when I see comments on high end gear there is a lot of negativity. I have been an audiophile for the last 20 years. Honestly, if you know how to choose gear and match gear a lot of the high end gear is just better. When it comes to price people can charge what they want for what they create. If you don’t want it. Don’t pay for it. Look if you are blessed to afford the best bear and you can get it. It can be very sonically pleasing. Then do it. Now if you are also smart and knowledgeable you can get high end sound at mid-fi prices then do it. It’s the beauty of our our hobby. To build a system that competes with the better more expensive sounding systems out there. THOUGHTS?

calvinj

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viridian

...hate is for audiophiles, not the gear. Completely deserved ...

Hate is a very strong word. Why have hate for a fellow human? Why so angry?

I acknowledge there are a few unpleasant people here, but they're easy to ignore. Hate isn't required.

unreceivedogma

Economic systems are not something handed down from God: they are social constructs. If you don’t like $1.2M audio systems, instead of not buying it, change the system that caters to millionaires. You are just being an apologist for laissez faire capitalism nothing more ... Prices today are a reflection of the (passive, like you maybe?) acceptance of the grossly unequal economic structure we have in the U.S. today. It doesn’t have to be that way. 

You're being silly because it's essentially impossible for any of us to change our economic system. But given that you're so dissatisfied with it, why do you remain a passive victim to a system you dislike? There are other countries that operate under different systems. Some are democracies, too. It's a big world!

unreceivedogma

Systems are changed all the time, either at the ballot box, through grassroots organizing with thousands of others, through catastrophe ...

No, they're not. Effecting real change in systems is rare. Yes, it happens, but incremental change is much more common.

... or through revolution,…you know, like that Thing that we celebrate every July 4.

Dreamers like you tried that kind of change on Jan. 6. We saw how that worked out.

I fought a case to the U.S. Supreme Court and got Scalia to write an 8-1 opinion in my favor. I’m likely the only dialectical materialist to get Scalia to agree with him…twice! Can’t do that without first, dreaming, second, designing, third planning, fourth executing like hell. I changed constitutional law by getting The Supremes to overthrow 12 cases that came before me that went the other way

Are you the one who brings the green been casserole to the annual Scalia Thanksgiving feast every year?

It does strike me as problematic that science is seen as a “camp.”

That's a logical fallacy, straw man argument. There is a bias here against measurementalists, who often parade as scientists or "objectivists." But of course they are among the most biased on the group, the "nay-sayers."

Aren’t the conflicts between your beliefs and the large body of research in psychoacoustics a cause for examination of one’s personal beliefs? 

It doesn't seem to have worked that way for you, does it?

Everything above that you attribute to me is complete fabrication on your part ... Where did I call anyone gullible? Where did I say anything about being smarter than anyone? Why are you just making the crap up about me? I’ve called you out on this a few times now.

Your effort to play the victim here probably fools no one. If you have a complaint about a user, take it to the moderators.

@scottwheel is a troll practicing "sealioning." It's not new or original.

 

It is truly amazing how many of you think you can speak for me and what *I* believe about things that have never been mentioned.

It’s not amazing at all. You’ve made dozens of posts in the space of just a few weeks, and you’ve made yourself very clear. You’re consistent. You’re a troll, and now you’re transitioning to the claim of being a victim. Who exactly do you think you're fooling?

scottwheel

Do whatever the hell you want ... What you or anybody else does with that information is up to you and them. 

Thanks for granting your approval, but we really don't need your permission before making a decision. You'll have to live with that.

All I said was ABX doesn’t have to be complex or difficult to do thanks to a number of ABX programs.

You couldn't be more wrong. For one thing, precise level-matching and the ability to switch quickly are basic requirements of an ABX test. There's no ABX program that truly simplifies that for comparing a component, and a flawed ABX test is, by definition, scientifically invalid.

As I've noted before, conducting a scientifically valid controlled listening test such as ABX is not as simple as it may appear. I've participated in a few such tests conducted by real professionals, and the degree of diligence they displayed was really impressive. It's not a casual undertaking.

scottwheel

Clearly you are not familiar with foobar 2000 amount other programs

Logical fallacy, ad hominem:

Typically this term refers to a rhetorical strategy where the speaker attacks the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.