Why Do So Many Audiophiles Reject Blind Testing Of Audio Components?


Because it was scientifically proven to be useless more than 60 years ago.

A speech scientist by the name of Irwin Pollack have conducted an experiment in the early 1950s. In a blind ABX listening test, he asked people to distinguish minimal pairs of consonants (like “r” and “l”, or “t” and “p”).

He found out that listeners had no problem telling these consonants apart when they were played back immediately one after the other. But as he increased the pause between the playbacks, the listener’s ability to distinguish between them diminished. Once the time separating the sounds exceeded 10-15 milliseconds (approximately 1/100th of a second), people had a really hard time telling obviously different sounds apart. Their answers became statistically no better than a random guess.

If you are interested in the science of these things, here’s a nice summary:

Categorical and noncategorical modes of speech perception along the voicing continuum

Since then, the experiment was repeated many times (last major update in 2000, Reliability of a dichotic consonant-vowel pairs task using an ABX procedure.)

So reliably recognizing the difference between similar sounds in an ABX environment is impossible. 15ms playback gap, and the listener’s guess becomes no better than random. This happens because humans don't have any meaningful waveform memory. We cannot exactly recall the sound itself, and rely on various mental models for comparison. It takes time and effort to develop these models, thus making us really bad at playing "spot the sonic difference right now and here" game.

Also, please note that the experimenters were using the sounds of speech. Human ears have significantly better resolution and discrimination in the speech spectrum. If a comparison method is not working well with speech, it would not work at all with music.

So the “double blind testing” crowd is worshiping an ABX protocol that was scientifically proven more than 60 years ago to be completely unsuitable for telling similar sounds apart. And they insist all the other methods are “unscientific.”

The irony seems to be lost on them.

Why do so many audiophiles reject blind testing of audio components? - Quora
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Blindtest has no significance save in blackbox situation for a researcher or statistically like in medical research...

In audio blindtesting is a circus most of the times save well organised for marketing reason....

One single audiophile dont need it.... I lived through hundred of single changes positives or negative or neutral in the last 2 years.... In this step by step listenings experiments i never needed an external authority over my ears...

Blindtest out of serious science is a circus.... If someone dont trust his ears in audio he is the one gullible to external tools negating the verdict of his own perception...

Any tool is a useful  slave but a useless master....



Pseudo scientists ideologue are like religious fanatics...Their alleged skepticism is a blind faith in fact.... True skepticism is a tool not a master....And beliefs are only roots you cannot all cut....Choose well....

Musical timbre perception is never a placebo, it is a learned bias....I dont doubt timbre....I doubt only speck of sound or ghost of music....

And anyway you dont doubt what you create yourself.... I never bought tweaks and i dont buy new cables....

And Glubson, I am pretty sure you read my reply to you after you reported and it was deleted. Two words for you my dbag: tell him. Let him bring it on. 
a reasonable man, shown data that destroys his beliefs will change his beliefs to fit the data.

audiophiles are not reasonable men.
not many people can be counted on to accept they're wrong.
they kick, scream, call you names.
doesn't change the facts.
I love blindtest sorry...Show me one i will study the results...I am curious....

But i cannot blindtest an INCREMENTAL day to day strings of change dealing with my listening experiments...

I dont trust those who trust ONLY blindtest.....

Is it not simple to understand?

you recognize a zealot easily, it is one for which exist only black and white choices...

I am not one.... sorry.....

i will trust a great number of satisfied customers over any blindtest....I will trust a blindtest if the product is not well known or not well appreciated....If there is a debate i will listen to a blindtest....but day to day in audiolife no one need systematic blindtest to establish audible fact....In psychoacoustic research blindtest is a useful tool, but daily audiolife is not psychacoustic research nor marketing circus....

Then who is not reasonable?

Why calling audiophile more unreasonnable than "scientism" zealot ?

Because it is black or white?


«All fact dont wait for a blindtest to be born»-Anonymus Smith
@elapid 

Nice generalization- audiophiles are not reasonable men.....how can you lump us all together when we disagree on many things very often - that is the purpose of meaningful discussion. Audiophiles are passionate about listening to the best sounding stereo to them that they can afford or choose to buy/afford. Different people have different priorities. If you don’t have audiophiledom as a hobby or priority or passion, why are you here? 
I certainly wouldn’t read a stamp or coin hobbyist forum site, not that there is anything wrong with those hobbies; just not my cup of tea.

Why would you want to troll a site frequented by what you consider unreasonable people?

We don’t all take a staunch opinion on blind testing value- more like what Paul from PS Audio said. It has its place as a possible piece of the decision pie, depending on circumstances.