Why Do So Many Audiophiles Reject Blind Testing Of Audio Components?


Because it was scientifically proven to be useless more than 60 years ago.

A speech scientist by the name of Irwin Pollack have conducted an experiment in the early 1950s. In a blind ABX listening test, he asked people to distinguish minimal pairs of consonants (like “r” and “l”, or “t” and “p”).

He found out that listeners had no problem telling these consonants apart when they were played back immediately one after the other. But as he increased the pause between the playbacks, the listener’s ability to distinguish between them diminished. Once the time separating the sounds exceeded 10-15 milliseconds (approximately 1/100th of a second), people had a really hard time telling obviously different sounds apart. Their answers became statistically no better than a random guess.

If you are interested in the science of these things, here’s a nice summary:

Categorical and noncategorical modes of speech perception along the voicing continuum

Since then, the experiment was repeated many times (last major update in 2000, Reliability of a dichotic consonant-vowel pairs task using an ABX procedure.)

So reliably recognizing the difference between similar sounds in an ABX environment is impossible. 15ms playback gap, and the listener’s guess becomes no better than random. This happens because humans don't have any meaningful waveform memory. We cannot exactly recall the sound itself, and rely on various mental models for comparison. It takes time and effort to develop these models, thus making us really bad at playing "spot the sonic difference right now and here" game.

Also, please note that the experimenters were using the sounds of speech. Human ears have significantly better resolution and discrimination in the speech spectrum. If a comparison method is not working well with speech, it would not work at all with music.

So the “double blind testing” crowd is worshiping an ABX protocol that was scientifically proven more than 60 years ago to be completely unsuitable for telling similar sounds apart. And they insist all the other methods are “unscientific.”

The irony seems to be lost on them.

Why do so many audiophiles reject blind testing of audio components? - Quora
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It sounds like you have the inside scoop on this Glubson.

And let me be straight with you dbag: if someone threatens me via PM telling me “I know where you work”, like your previous Audio2Design friend did, or David Letchworth, whatever, I will not back down and submit to the bully. I am not afraid of him. And go ahead and tell him, I mean what I said to him, if he does something to me. This is my livelihood, and will do everything I can to protect it, protect my family. Whatever it takes. Tell him. I will spend my last dime, take my own life, to do what I told him I will do. I promise you that. I mean it. Tell him. One word that threatens my family, and I am all in. I know who he is too. Tell him that too.
To answer your question on the title of the OP: because "blind testing" is not a thing. It's a catch phrase the snake oil screechers throw in your face every time you say something sounds better than something else. Anything.


Whatever side of the trenches you have positioned yourself in. Not my business 
Why we all keep arguing with a sick same dude that keeps coming back here over and over and over and over under multiple usernames that keeps getting banned is beyond my understanding. Guilty as charged
unreceivedogma368 posts04-30-2021 11:36am

Those of us who advocate blind testing do so not to prove that you can hear a difference but to prove the opposite.
And why exactly you feel the urge for OTHER PEOPLE to prove it to you that they hear a difference?

Kudos to you for using the blind testing for making your own choices (assuming you indeed do so), but to impose to other people who do not is a bit of stretch. By that logic, nobody should share any experiences with equipment, gear, cables, etc. unless they can "prove" it with blind tests certified by a panel of third party "specialists"?
And Glubson, I am pretty sure you read my reply to you after you reported and it was deleted. Two words for you my dbag: tell him. Let him bring it on. 
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Well …. It looks like DLetch2 is gone. Whether banned or just quit on his own, I have no idea.

Honestly I am not surprised, following the previous patterns of this guy, most recently posting as Audio2Design, before that as AtDavid, Roberttdid, Dannad, and perhaps other names I lost track of.

One thing I guarantee is he will be back. Guaranteed. It will be easy to spot. Again.
May I say soon. Very soon

we will surely see the new one soon - for now, enjoy the peace 👏👏👏
It fits the pattern. Done so many times, it’s becoming ridiculously easy to spot in the very first day of “joining” now
😂😂. Nope. Just a gut feeling. What I wrote above.

Anyways… all its posts appear to be now deleted. As usual, a barrage of them in one day, maliciously targeting his “focus areas”. Give it a day or two, and he will resurface with another username. Guaranteed. Sick human being 
An objectivist enters a bar.

Bartender asks: What can I pleasure you with?

Objectivist: what does this have to do with anything?
Very unfortunate indeed. And stupid. But it’s the reality. Unfortunate. And did I say stupid? Sophisticated or not. 
For some reason, when I hear about “subjective” and “objective”, I think about bunkers, trenches, and such.

I know. Stupid. Sophisticated stupidity 
Oh, he is not shy of creating multiple email addresses.

I don’t know whether Audiogon can block IP addresses from accessing the site, maybe they cannot, but knowing this dude is tech savvy, I am pretty sure he gets around that limitation too. 
And yes, there is something very wrong with “that boy”. It’s been for the past 1-2 years when he first started as AtDavid