When Will the DAC Singularity Be Reached?


A humorous title, but wondering if those more in the know have an opinion on either: i) examples today where inexpensive DACs (say under $2500) are comparable or superior to expensive (say over $10K) DACs or ii) can we anticipate that within a relatively few number of years that inexpensive DACs will basically achieve the sound quality of today's expensive DACs? Thanks. 

mathiasmingus

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Mathiasmingus,

On the average a $2,500 DAC in 2023 will never sound as good as a $10,000 DAC in 2023. However, a $2,500 DAC in 2025 may very well sound as good as a 2023 $10,000 DAC. The technology marches on quickly for DACs IMO, and the end result is: where along the development timeline is good enough to be happy.

I currently have a Denafrips Pontus II R2R ladder DAC, that I absolutely love and is a stunning DAC for $1,800. Is it good enough to be my forever DAC? No, eventually I will upgrade this DAC and move it to a second system as I improve other components.

One other word about improving DAC performance. It was recommened by Alvin Chee (owner of Denafrips distributor Vinshine Audio), that adding a Denafrips Iris between my Bluesound Node 130 and my Denafrips Pontus II DAC might improve overall performance. If it didn't work, I could sell it for not much less than the purchase price. Alvin has never steered me wrong, so I bought one.

What does it do? The Iris DDC (and I assume most DDCs), takes an input signal and filters it galvanically and optically to reduce jitter and noise. The Iris then re-clocks the signal prior to outputting (via I2S HDMI in my case) using a TCXO which is superior to the one in the Pontus II.

Does it work? Absolutely it does in my configuration. The SQ improvements were immediate and not subtle. Soundstage width and height were improved (but not depth), the noise floor was lowered and I could more easily separate instruments and hear detail that was not as obvious without it, it took away some of the sharp edges while at the same time allowing more detail in higher frequencies, and improved vocals beyond what I thought were already great qualities in the Pontus II through my Buchardt Audio S400 MKII speakers.

Others have shared with me that the improvement will be less noticeable when I migrate to a better streamer (Innuous, Aurender, Lumin, or the like) as they have a far superior treatment of the signal path.....less noise, less jitter, more stable clock, etc.....and I may find the Iris redundant in this scenario. We'll see when I get there

Whether to upgrade a DAC obviously comes down to personal choice in sound signature, finances, etc. However for me it is also a factor of my current system performance. I have a roughly $15K system that is filled with “bang for the buck” components that mostly punch above their cost…..but I know I’ll need to replace as funds permit.

Right now, none of my components is a major limiting factor in the overall SQ. As I upgrade components (streamer first, power cables, and room correction). It will reveal weaknesses in other components. Necessitating replacing other components to reach the next “mid fi” level.

And yes, I know room correction should be next, but I’m building a “from scratch” audio room in my basement that won’t be finished for quite a few months.

dhdprentice,

I haven't even updated my components in some time, but I'll do that maybe tonight or tomorrow. I had pictures of my system up for a couple of months, but I started getting BS posts about room treatment (yeah I know), the type of cabinet my components are in, not optimal placement.....all of which I am aware of. Maybe I'll take the time to clean things up and take a couple of pics. Thank you for the note