When using a power conditioner, why is it advised to run amps directly to the wall?


I have seen it recommended that power for amplifiers should be run directly from the wall outlet vs through the power conditioner. Why?  
I have a 5.1 HT setup with all McIntosh electronics including three monoblocks and one stereo amp. I have everything running power from the MOC1500 Power Control Center. 
Look forward to learning. 

jfrost27

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I am one who is stymied by PS Audio using the word "regenerator" to describe that product. I would think most would actually believe it is recreating electricity that is better than what the electric company is providing you. Far from it, right? Atmasphere stated in another recent thread here that any of that kind of engineering ended in the 1980's. Power conditioning under the guise of regenerating.

And, Erik, why would you need voltage regulation if you have a unit (Panamax) that provides voltage monitoring. If you monitor your voltage and there is no fluctuation, you would not need regulation - surmising it is plugged into the same outlet/circuit at all times. With surge suppression on the other side of it, if a spike were to occur, the protection is the same in anything you use.

I was surprised at your affiliate link - that Furman is 49% off!! If you need a voltage regulator that is a great price.

@devinplombier 

The P300 you mentioned, like the current PS Audio Power Plants, are able to recreate sinewaves that can better the output signal from your AC outlet. Harmonic distortion be damned!

The "regenerators" of PS Audio simply recreate what you already have. And if you have voltage that fluctuates, all one needs is a voltage regulator.

So it really seems like overkill to me and while it has been some time (1999); a P300 sold for less than $1K back then. The cheapest PS Audio Power Plant is now $3,000. Unless you are renting (Think NYC), you are far better off installing a 20 AMP dedicated line and 20 AMP circuit breaker and purchasing a passive conditioner (voltage regulator with surge protection) if you feel the need. All of that should be substantially lower than $3K. 

While 25 years may explain a large price increase, what PS Audio did was insert "regenerators" into their conditioner lineup to fill the lower price voids. Capitalism at it's finest! You would have to explain to me how one of their regenerators is better than a $500 Furman voltage regulator. 

As @ditusa pointed out, headroom for transients is part of your home infrastructure (dedicated line; 20 Amp circuit breaker), something that a regenerator - or anything that simply duplicates what you already have - is not going to improve upon.

@erik_squires 

Thank you for the clarification.

I did look up the definition of "regenerator" and this is what I got:

re·​gen·​er·​a·​tor ri-ˈje-nə-ˌrā-tər 

1one that regenerates

So you were spot on! lol (did you cheat?)

The stable AC voltage is what you can get on the cheap - as you propose! The rest is debatable as all things but I feel these products are blurring the lines between bluster and value. In other words, these regenerator products have hefty margins. 

My voltage rarely moves. Have seen it at 119 & 122 but generally constant 120. When they built our home in a large horseshoe fashion here in PA, PECO added a new plant just for the 150 homes that were constructed in 2012. Last year, all the homes across the street from our development went dark for 48 hours during a storm. Nobody on this side of the street was harmed.

I remember similar situations that I had when I had DSL back in the 1990's. Your speeds depended on how far away you were from the Central Station. Electric, data, it's all about the infrastructure that surrounds you and it just seems PS Audio is not really looking to inform buyers about that fact. 

Thanks for sharing your knowledge, Erik. While I designed and built my basement listening room/bar I neglected to put in dedicated lines because I just did not know any better then. I don't know that I will fix anything by doing it, but do believe that 20 AMP lines make a difference as I had my nephew do it for his basement and his entry-level electronics sound clear and concise, even at volumes where they should not.

 

@ditusa 

I would think I have a similar situation but our lines are buried. I would assume solid copper was used in 2012. Not sure I have enough room on my panel for an outlet for each device, but hopefully can muster at least two. Did not know one device per outlet was a thing. 

Nephew paid around $250 for each 20 AMP run of about 25 feet. Electrician installed the outlets I paid about $50 each for.