When are speakers considered Hi-Fi and not Mid-Fi???


What determines the status of "Hi-Fi?" I was recently considering a pair of Klipsch Heritage Cornwall speakers. They get rave reviews, have almost a cult-like following, no longer have harshness from the horns, and are very resolving. Other than not reaching down too low into the bass as some speakers do, why are they not considered Hi-Fi? They can clearly reproduce the full range of sound with an incredible image and are not missing any capability in person or on paper. Seems when we follow a thread on here about most any speaker at any price there is always a contingent that feels to need to post that the certain speakers under discussion are Mid-Fi not Hi-Fi. I only use the Klipsch Cornwalls as an example to start. Budget is not an issue, and cost should not dictate. I was also looking at the Magnepan 20.7 for another example, and they are $13k more than the Klipsch, but low and behold someone within seconds pops up and says these are Mid-Fi speakers. I kind of bet I could ask about a Sonus Faber Aida at $130k and within a few seconds someone will pop in and call them Mid-Fi as well. When do we reach "Hi-Fi" these days? Is it simply an endless and baseless dick-measuring contest? Seems like it. If we were talking cars we always have the guy who brags about the 0-60 times of certain cars, but it's clear that the 0-60 time alone does not qualify a car to be a "supercar" as there are so many other things the car must have and do to make it into that class, and like speakers there is not always 100% agreement on what the factors are. When do we reach Hi-Fi status for speakers??? 

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Couldn’t disagree with you more either. I’ve been in this hobby for about 40 years and have heard many great systems in untreated rooms. I’ve had the same living room for 30 years and have heard great, good and bad speakers having no room treatment.

I’ve had a recording engineer over to my place who pronounced my room perfectly fine, as is. Same with a high end dealer. Both have been over more than a few times.

Too many makers of "high end" gear blame the rooms on the bad sound they get yet there are other makes in the very same type of rooms getting great sound. What’s the single underlying factor in all of this? It’s the gear and not the room.

Granted, some rooms are nightmares, but I know of no one who lives/listens in a perfectly square room or a rectangle where the width and length are perfectly divisible by the same number. A great sounding speaker will still sound good in a bad room, letting you know of its potential. Not that hard to figure out.

As for going into a show of unknown quality expecting it to sound good, well you just laid bare your expectations of it supposing to sound good when it doesn’t. Sounding bad is more a matter of associated gear and cabling and people just fooling themselves.

Just try moving around some in a "bad" hotel room and you’ll hear the differences. That, or you’re tone deaf.

I’ve been to shows where a dealers set up sounded sublime and at the next show, literally sucked. Yes, the room was different but much more importantly, the surrounding gear was all different. System synergy plays a really big role in maintaining great sound. It's not plug 'n play.

All the best,
Nonoise

I just watched a YT video on photography and one man's rational for buying a Leica M11 monochrome camera. He loves shooting in Black & White. His rational is to buy what really moves you and forget the rest. As he's gotten older, he's simplified his life, reducing it to just the essentials and avoiding the all encompassing. 

I've said something similar in my rational for keeping my present speakers and to just stop looking for something else in previous posts. I listened to some new music yesterday and simply loved the sound, again with not analyzing it but reveling in it. That's when it becomes hi-fi for me. I'm older, more settled in my ways, and not into bragging rights or audio envy. 

Now that the obsession is out of the way, there's only the music to attend to.

All the best,
Nonoise

Some of us stumble upon a "hi-fi" set of speakers through good old trial and error. No way in heck is anyone capable of hearing everything out there unless you’re a reviewer, work in sales, and visit many audio shows.

I’m one of the ones who stumbled upon a great speaker which I paired with a great integrated and now I’ve lost all motivation to look for something else. It will just click one day. Like I said, you’ll know it when you hear it.

Too many blame it on the room. A really good speaker will show itself despite the room. Fine tune things after if that’s your thing.

All the best,
Nonoise