What is "immersiveness" in audio experience ?


I experienced immersiveness 2 times , one with headphone and one with my acoutic room/speakers...
 
I will define acoustically "immersiveness as a rightful balanced ratio between the "sound source" perceived factor (ASW) and the "listener envelopment" felt factor (LV) , this ratio( ASW/LV ) implicate also that the timbre experience is right to begin with , that the distortion rate is low already and that these two factors are already settled, then if imaging is optimally differentiated and the soundstage dimensions may VARY according to each album recording situation and is not fixed once for all ... If each sound sources own his own volume in space and is not reduced to be a small surface,which i called the holographical factor then Immersiveness conditions are there...
 
I will not for now enter in these acoustic detailed explanation as i experienced them concretely, i used these precise acoustic words in the context of my experiments and experience...In my room or with my headphone...I am not an acoustician... Only someone who want top high quality experience for the least money...If money was not a problem i would had never study and work without end which so much time investment  with acoustic experiments and listening experiments... Luckily i had no money... 😊
 
I will now give a more subjective definition of "immersiveness" :
 
In any activity, when by repetition, learning,meditation, optimal set  conditions, forgetting everything else, we go through the ACT of perception or through the GESTURE as fluid with pure grace , forgetting the ego desire, fears, and hopes , ONE with the experience, in the ectasy of presence without being located in or out, here or there,this is "immersiveness...
 
I experienced it when the sound was good at the end of a long process, finally, one time after my speakers/room where completed and under acoustic control; one time with a well designed headphone, after 6 months of optimization experiments...
 
Now I forgot "sound" each time i listen music ...Only music matter ... And there is no more the necessary  habit who kill gradually  the first marvellous impressions ever... Each time is a new "first time" with any albums, and no upgrade appear meaningfull, even if for sure improved upgrading is always possible for the better... But when you are more than happy, "better gear " keep his meaning but lost his appeal...
 
I discovered that when i was "fatigued" with my music in the past , it was not so much the habitual and repetition of the same  music  the problem, but the "sound" defects which was so bad and  my focus on sound improvement so big it troubled and destructed the beginning of  my perceptive immersion in music...
 
Now any album is an acoustic and musical miracle and we cannot be used to miracles anymore than we cannot be used to true love ...
 
For sure what i said has a meaning for normal life day to day...
 
 If you live in a concentration camp , a bad recording sound of a Mozart piano concerto will put you in ectasy, nevermind the "sound"....
 
Then we audiophiles   we ask for something "more" than just music as usual...
It is not because we prefer good sound to good music, it is because we love music too much and felt very deep his impact, especially if the soundfield is optimal....
 
 

 

 

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Showing 3 responses by hilde45

If you will permit me to comment on something delicate. This is just my opinion and maybe I am wrong but...this is a lot to take in.

If you want to start a discussion, I suggest shorter posts with a clear focus or two and a question. Then, let other people add their comments before you comment further.

If you just want to use Audiogon as a place to publish your thoughts, you can do that, but you won't likely get a lot of replies. 

Again, just my experience.

For what it’s worth -- I don’t care how long your posts are. You can do what you want.

My advice is only relevant to you if you want more people to read and consider what you say. If you don’t mind that most people will skip your post and that allows you to write what you want, go ahead.

There’s no "right" or "wrong" here. It’s a question of whether you want to have more people in conversation or if you don’t mind people ignoring you. In case you care, I will ignore posts that are long and hard to follow. But you may not care! That's ok. Up to you. Be well.