What do you mean you “heard” the turntable


I don’t get it. Maybe I just don’t have the biological tool set, but I read all the time how someone heard this turntable or that turntable and they comment on how much better or worse it sounded than some other TT, presumably their own or one they are very familiar with. 

Thing is, they are most likely hearing this set up on a completely different system in a completely different environment. So how can they claim it was the TT that made the difference?  The way “synergy“ is espoused around here how can anybody be confident at all considering how interdependent system interactions are. 

Can someone illuminate me?
last_lemming
nandric

The TT's are not supposed to ''sound'' so if one hears sound differences those should be ascribed to the records.

No audio component is completely transparent, and that's especially true with turntables, pickup arms and phono cartridges. Turntables most definitely have a "sound" to them, even if they're designed to be neutral.


The TT's are not supposed to ''sound'' so if one hears sound

differences those should be ascribed to the records. Those

may detect what is wrong with the turntable.


last_Lemming

Google .....Goldilocks and the three turntables

and for a visual....

click on the big, bad wolf, then go to Picture 8 on system details.

Something that use to amaze me in some of the UK mags' reviews of turntables is when the review included a comparison to a competing table, and the other table was fitted with a different arm and cartridge!
Weird, i tagged @slaw and it showed up blank. Very kind of you to say that, Slaw. Thanks!
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@whart, 

You have a great gift my friend. I always enjoy reading your writings.

Your remarks about the Stillpoints LP-I, remind me of my current thoughts about what I'm hearing. I may have said it differently but, in the end, it all comes out to be the same meaning.
What I’ve "heard" in comparing tables and arms in my system, using the same cartridge, was artifacts that went missing on the better set up. For example, when I went from a Kuzma Reference and Triplanar to the Kuzma XL and Airline, there was less of a ’halo’ and sense of a turntable spinning as the source of the sound. I didn’t appreciate that artifact was there until it was absent. Does that make sense?
Similarly, when I changed platter weights, from the factory screw down clamp to the Stillpoints some years ago, at first I thought the Stillpoints robbed the bass from the system, but after adjusting the woofers and tweaking the gain, it was pretty obvious that the factory clamp was adding something- a bump in the mid bass that gave the sound a more propulsive aspect; without it, and the Stillpoints in place (after adjusting other things mentioned), the Stillpoints made everything a little more relaxed, less frenetic. I prefer that.
These things weren’t something I had to strain to hear- they were apparent.
The difficulty in my estimation is getting the tables/arms, etc. in one system and being able to compare them directly without other variables.

If I would dare to say this I would say ''they are pretending'' to

hear whatever differences . But I don't dare.

I think you're absolutely right. All that's missing is the system/room that made a difference.