show me the double blind listening tests, please
cables are the biggest rip-off in audio
oh, you don't sell cables, do you?? |
Blind testing removes confirmation bias.
If you don't understand that, then you are doomed to live with a tin-foil hat on your head. |
What most audiophiles want from a cable is confirmation bias.
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sure, you can fill them with fluid, but you really need to pressurize the fluid |
"A well designed audio interconnect, speaker cable, power cable, digital or USB cable WILL in FACT outperform your inferior cable in a resolving audio system setup in a proper listening space. Face it, deal with it, move on please."
^ that stmt. belongs in the how to rip off audiophiles thread |
"If you ...won't consider the importance of the cables that transmit the audio signal from component to component I guess you don't experience a difference with the quality of tires that connect your car to the road."
The above is a really bad analogy and suggests that the poster is ignorant of both audio engineering and mechanical engineering
But it is wrong in a more fundamental sense as well. It isn't that some "won't consider" it is that in science the affirmative has the burden of proof.
For example, you see a couple of people above making bold claims, but they cannot back it up with ANY real listening tests. Post the methodology in your own double-blind tests. Or just tell us what volume of JAES or other engineering or scientific journal the test appeared in.
Also, show where you disconnected and reconnected existing cables to eliminate the effects of removing any corrosion on those connections from your experiment.
Last, we would need to see that any real differences are, in fact, improvements and not simply the result of confirmation bias.
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waxwang wrote:
"We will always hurdle the facts and side step the science and engineering degrees that real people have." |
it sounds like a lot of you live in a fantasy world - do a test
not to mention the 12 year old tone of many of the above remarks
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actually, you haven't learned anything, and aren't likely to do so in the future either - but stay in school |
goldenera, see my long post above, but in brief...
1. are the differences real? - use a double-blind test to see (I've done this with turntables and there are differences for sure)
2. were the differences caused by re-connection or by the cable itself? - again, do a test - the connection might have had some corrosion on it
3. are the differences really improvements?
4. if yes, to all above, then are the improvements cost-effective relative to things that are known to matter greatly (such as speaker freq. response; room treatments; phase delay, etc.)
in sum, I have tested these things for decades and cables are about the last thing to do (usually); interconnects would come after speaker cables
FWIW, I have Kimber on my speakers - and I got them at a very large discount - I consider having them bi-amped to be more important |
dlcock,
Look back, and you’ll see I have attempted to keep the "discussion" focused on the issues. But when it became clear that infantile people like you would do nothing except indulge in name-calling, I tried to meet your level. |
Nov. 8 might let some of the cerebrospinal fluid out of the mystics heads
OTOH, some of them are saying they will 'revolt' |
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by NASA dude, you must mean you live near NASA
your above post is a mix of some truth with untruth
you really need to pressurize your fluid filled cables... |
It is unlikely that you don’t know what to listen for, or am too focused on cable accuracy and resolution, and not enough on actual sound quality.
- it just a case of no two systems sounding alike so why trust a review anyway?
- but I'd also be leery of trusting a Reviewer who gets any compensation (incl. ads) from a co. whose products are reviewed
- What you CAN trust is a blind listening test - both A/B and extended on familiar program material |
cables don't "restrict the sound"
some cables will act like inductors or capacitors to modify the sound
if like it, call it euphonic distortion
if you don't, then call it distortion |
