We Need To Talk About Ones And Zeroes


Several well-respected audiophiles in this forum have stated that the sound quality of hi-res streamed audio equals or betters the sound quality of traditional digital sources.

These are folks who have spent decades assembling highly desirable systems and whose listening skills are beyond reproach. I for one tend to respect their opinions.

Tidal is headquartered in NYC, NY from Norwegian origins. Qobuz is headquartered in Paris, France. Both services are hosted on Amazon Web Services (AWS), the cloud infrastructure services giant that commands roughly one third of the world's entire cloud services market.

AWS server farms are any audiophile's nightmare. Tens of thousands of multi-CPU servers and industrial-grade switches crammed in crowded racks, miles of ordinary cabling coursing among tens of thousands of buzzing switched-mode power supplies and noisy cooling fans. Industrial HVAC plants humming 24/7.

This, I think, demonstrates without a doubt that audio files digitally converted to packets of ones and zeroes successfully travel thousands of miles through AWS' digital sewer, only to arrive in our homes completely unscathed and ready to deliver sound quality that, by many prominent audiophiles' account, rivals or exceeds that of $5,000 CD transports. 

This also demonstrates that digital transmission protocols just work flawlessly over noise-saturated industrial-grade lines and equipment chosen for raw performance and cost-effectiveness.

This also puts in perspective the importance of improvements deployed in the home, which is to say in the last ten feet of our streamed music's multi-thousand mile journey.


No worries, I am not about to argue that a $100 streamer has to sound the same as a $30,000 one because "it's all ones and zeroes".

But it would be nice to agree on a shared-understanding baseline, because without it intelligent discourse becomes difficult. The sooner everyone gets on the same page, which is to say that our systems' digital chains process nothing less and nothing more than packets of ones and zeroes, the sooner we can move on to genuinely thought-provoking stuff like, why don't all streamers sound the same? Why do cables make a difference? Wouldn't that be more interesting?

devinplombier

I guess parts is parts and pieces is pieces and it don’t matter in what order they go cause it’s all gonna sound the same.

Really?

jeffbij

... one that turned out to just be a Netgear GS series 8 port switch in a different colored case with a linear power supply. 

Which one was that?

Another was a DLink that was supposed to have been "modified" but only had some stuff glued to the top of some caps and chips and was marked up 500%.  

Which one was that?

And then another that was just a Linksys that was repainted and sold with a SBooster power supply for high dollars.  

Which one was that?

@curiousjim 

I guess parts is parts and pieces is pieces and it don’t matter in what order they go cause it’s all gonna sound the same.

Simply...No.

Most of the conversation so far has been on digital data transmission and receipt.  While the fundmental design of a digital network insures that what was sent ends up being the same data at the end, factors such as the effect of the noise floor on creating data packet resend requests, can effect the timing of the data feed at the final end point.  (In this instance, the network connection at the streamer.)  

What hasn't been really talked about yet is how all the hardware and software "parts and pieces" come into play.  One goal is to reduce (or isolate) the noise floor on the data transmission by using good hardware/software, like adequate power sources, quality connectors and wiring, capable networking equipment, etc. Reduce the noise floor and, hopefully, reduce the data timing difficulties at the end point.  Thus it changes the sound (hopefully for the better.)

Then there is how all the parts and pieces come together after the final network connection at the streamer and/or DAC.  Then the circuit design, the parts chosen, software operating system, firmware, DAC chips, shielding, power supplies, etc. all come together to take the digital data stream and convert it to an analog signal.  Doing this well can be difficult. And it is where the greatest differences in the "sound" of a streamer/DAC come from.

And then you get to enjoy all the different types of chicken nuggets from places like McDonalds, Taco Bell, KFC, and Bojangles.  Same chicken, different receipes.  LOL.

-Jeff

 

@cleeds 

I having to remember and Google.  It was a few years ago.

The modified DLink was an Aqvox.  I remember that because there was a Linus Tech Tip on YouTube that did the tare down.  I also seem to remember there was a Paul Pang modified DLink that was somewhat dubious (I had to Google this one for the name.)

The Netgear may have been one of the early Silent Angel switches, but don't hold me to that.  

And the Linksys, no clue anymore.  I just remember the pictures because they painted the case a matte black and didn't even mask the open ports properly. On top of that, they just pasted their sticker over top of the Linksys sticket on the bottom. 

honestly, I think there are folks who champion high end streamers whose arguments are the functional equivalent of those who call themselves “Creationists”.  It’s essentially pseudo-science.