We Need To Talk About Ones And Zeroes


Several well-respected audiophiles in this forum have stated that the sound quality of hi-res streamed audio equals or betters the sound quality of traditional digital sources.

These are folks who have spent decades assembling highly desirable systems and whose listening skills are beyond reproach. I for one tend to respect their opinions.

Tidal is headquartered in NYC, NY from Norwegian origins. Qobuz is headquartered in Paris, France. Both services are hosted on Amazon Web Services (AWS), the cloud infrastructure services giant that commands roughly one third of the world's entire cloud services market.

AWS server farms are any audiophile's nightmare. Tens of thousands of multi-CPU servers and industrial-grade switches crammed in crowded racks, miles of ordinary cabling coursing among tens of thousands of buzzing switched-mode power supplies and noisy cooling fans. Industrial HVAC plants humming 24/7.

This, I think, demonstrates without a doubt that audio files digitally converted to packets of ones and zeroes successfully travel thousands of miles through AWS' digital sewer, only to arrive in our homes completely unscathed and ready to deliver sound quality that, by many prominent audiophiles' account, rivals or exceeds that of $5,000 CD transports. 

This also demonstrates that digital transmission protocols just work flawlessly over noise-saturated industrial-grade lines and equipment chosen for raw performance and cost-effectiveness.

This also puts in perspective the importance of improvements deployed in the home, which is to say in the last ten feet of our streamed music's multi-thousand mile journey.


No worries, I am not about to argue that a $100 streamer has to sound the same as a $30,000 one because "it's all ones and zeroes".

But it would be nice to agree on a shared-understanding baseline, because without it intelligent discourse becomes difficult. The sooner everyone gets on the same page, which is to say that our systems' digital chains process nothing less and nothing more than packets of ones and zeroes, the sooner we can move on to genuinely thought-provoking stuff like, why don't all streamers sound the same? Why do cables make a difference? Wouldn't that be more interesting?

devinplombier

respectfully, you can't draw correct conclusions from incorrect facts. I don't understand the point of this thread; I guess I am the exception and I will just stay away from commenting.

two issues might influence how your DAC translates everything back to analog.

Jitter coming from the streamer into the DAC. Yes, the file in the streamer is bit perfect. But the last meter might add jitter to which the DAC might be sensitive.

b) Common noise from the last meter might affect the DAC. 

 

Why can’t we just be happy that we get high quality music files from an almost unlimited library delivered intact, so that we can use whatever streamer and DAC sounds best to us?

Perhaps video is a good analogy…

We all get the same data from Apple TV but an OLED monitor coupled with a nice AVR and speakers blows a cheap LCD/LED tv and a sound bar out of the water,

Isn’t it that simple. Take the same source file and reproduce it with crap, good or great equipment and get a different result?

@gano 

Data center equipment is selected for high throughput, low latency and other factors including manageability and cost. Low noise isn’t one of them, and reasonably so since noise has no effect on digital data transmission. As a result switching mode power supplies and cooling fans are the norm, so these are noisy environments.

 

respectfully, you can’t draw correct conclusions from incorrect facts.

That’s generally true, but I’m not sure what you mean in this context?