Warm, yet detailed tube preamp


Looking for a warm but yet detailed preamp to upgrade my Rouge RP1 (with NOS tubes). Rest of system is Coincident Frankenstein 300B Mk2, Zu Audio Omen Def Supreme, digital front end with PS Audio AirStream and DirectStream Sr (modified with external power supply for the analog side and different output transformers). The Rouge is a very good preamp (especially for the money), but it does definitely hold the system back at this point. I would like to add a bit more warmth of the overall sound and also add depth to the soundstage (without losing details). And I do want a remote... if nothing else, volume and mute.

 

Willing to spend about $5k used (or so).

audiojan

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Ok, so I guess I need to add some details. Warmth to me is more "meat on the bones" in the midrange. It’s not the low-end. The Rogue (and I apologize for the initial misspelling) is a great preamp, especially for the price, but it’s a bit lean in the midrange (and yes, I have tried different NOS tubes and although better, not all the way to where I want it to be). The other area where it falls a bit short is soundstage depth. The width is ok, but it’s lacking depths. This is not the speakers or the room. With the Gryphon Diablo 300 (way overkill with the ZU’s) I had that, so it’s definitely possible.

 

As to the nonsense about power condition limiting the current etc. 8W 300B monoblocks doesn’t draw that much current to start with and if the power conditioner (PS Audio PP12) doesn’t limit the Gryphon, I really don’t think it’ll limit the Coindicent Frankensteins...

 

The Zu Omen Def Supreme can indeed sound harsh unless you set them up correct. It does take lots of tweaking to get them just right. And I’ve done that. With other amps, I can get them to sound almost sweet, just not as seductive as with the SET amps. Trying other preamps, I can change the sound, but again, I haven’t found "THE ONE" yet (hence the post here).

@kennyc the Coincident preamps don’t come with a remote. I frequently adjust volume based on the track so this is something I’m not willing to compromise on

@snapoli2 interesting you mention the Luxman. I just spoke to my local dealer (whom I really trust, have done business with him for well over 20 years) and that's exactly what he recommended

 

May borrow one from him after the long weekend and listen

So I’m testing out the Luxman CL-38uC and it’s exactly what I was looking for. Detailed, slightly warm, spacious and just super relaxed

@perkadin You do realize that the Omen and the Omen Def Supreme are not even the same speaker? And you might be one of the very few that ever said that Zu's lacking detail, that's what they're known for.