Vintage Japanese DD Consult and Suggestions Please


A little over five years ago, I worked with Chris Harban at Woodsong Audio to craft a bespoke Garrard 301 for me and my my vinyl collection. I had previously had a Dual of some model followed by a Thorens TD 160 with a nice Ortofon Black MM cart. The 301 was completely restored featuring a heavy mahogany plinth, Ortofon AS 309S tonearm, and Ortofon SPU head. I have completely blown away with how this table has sounded and looked. The sound was huge, rich, and detailed...everything that I heard that idle drives from this era should sound.

Unfortunately, some family health matters have forced me to liquidate some much revered audio gear, and recently placed my Garrard 301 up for sale. I do not wish to be without a way to continue to enjoy my collection and would somehow like to come as close to the performance of the 301 for around $2500 or so. 

My considerations (thus far)for this change are as follows,

Denon DP80

Technics SP10 Mk 2 or 3

Technics SL 1000 Mk 2

Luxman PD 444

As you can see, I am curious about the more vintage looks and sound of the direct drives coming out of Japan, and am hoping to glean from this audience which of these units may provide me with the same (or as close to)level of enjoyment that my 301 has done. Thoughts on tonearm and MC cartridges pairings with each would be helpful.

I am not really considering anything belt driven at this time for whatever reason, or a deck that veers away from a traditional turntable aesthetic.

If it helps, the rest of the signal chain is as follows.

Aric Audio Motherlode preamp

Manley Steelhead phono pre

Aric Audio Transcend EL 34 push/pull amp

Klipsch Forte iv speakers.

 

I am grateful in advance for your thoughts on this matter.

 

 

laaudionut

Showing 11 responses by tomic601

@alexv Thanks for the starting formula.  i was an indentured servant in a pattern shop, i am fluent in adjusting for shrinkage…

The armboards on my dual arm plinth are 30 mm Aero grade hardened / anodized aluminum. in the well on the plinth i’ve added Kinetic sand. I’ve got a few wood armboard in work including Ebony root and purpleheart and Panzerholtz. i have a lot of respect for Franz as i run his imo lovely sounding CAR-40.

@lewm i believe a good deal of the magic of the big Denon are due the split platter and the magnetic pulse speed control system on the inside rim of the platter. Glad you mentioned platter. I should probably get an SP-10 of some ilk and muck about with that…

best to all in music

PbN built DP-80 motors / incredible plinths for Lyra… as in Lyra Japan. Those are formidable.. I would say before i upgraded my Triplaner to the CF armwand , etc, especially silver wire the 505 was in many ways the equal… nits… 

Understand. What ratio are you using and resin family ? i might cast a trial armboard … fun. The Triplaner is significantly better than the 505 and should be… the 505 is an amazing headshell arm imo… 

Best to you in music

Nice to see the vintage Japan DD fans weighing in here….this IMO is what Agon is for….

@lewm Ha…i knew you and i shared that. I worked at a Beveridge dealer during the end of the golden years. We carried KEF and i’m definitely a fan of the B-139 in Cantata an IMF alignments..i expect your TL is fantastic. I also knew RM and hold everything he touched in high regard. i hope to be back in SE PA for a reunion in June… will yell if that planetary alignment happens ! best in music to you.

@lewm ah we all have a white whale… mine is the Big Beveridge….  on a private pirate audio board my moniker is

callmeIshmael

ha…

@alexv has the formula and order correct but depending on room and system bandwidth / SPL ( the op has at present 2x JL subs ) i would add isolation. my plinth is 70# on a 300# rack, speakers in room flat to 20 and spring isolation require d at moderate spl. 90 db peaks. i’ve got 4 arms to choose from on the DP-75 tables, Triplaner Ultimate, Dynavector DV-505, Ortofon 309 Japan geometry 12”, and Infinity Black Widow. Does OP have a target cartridge in mind to steer our inputs ..?

i don’t necessarily agree w shop cosmetics… some parts are as Lew said unobtainable.. PbN charges $75 for platter and about $700 for recap and chip preservation wizardry. I know Peter and always include some beer $$$… hence my fuzziness on pricing.

Yes Japan is supercool. used to get there for work and visit my Sensei… Sounds to me like a sorted or high functioning TT from @alexv is a prudent course…

I looked at your system photos…. wow… sublime… I have the smaller TAD ME and a JL sub on the way. With the care / thought you have put in… a measured pursuit is a good idea.  

Bruce at Stereo Unlimited has a few Denon and other DD  / belt tables… normally about 20 used IF you fancy a drive to San Diego.

I am in Carlsbad Winters. 

I sold Denon in the heyday… not much sonic difference between the 75 and 80 but w best arms and carts, the 80 is better. You can look at my reference system and see 2x DP-75. The factory plinth can be improved of course, especially w better isolation feet - i use an Italian MAG Lev on the single arm TT. The bespoke dual Arm DP has a constrained layer plinth and a full on HRS isolation system.

Lew is correct about chips, etc. Ive had both of my motor / platter units gone thru by Peter of PbN audio. The Denon is a very unique split platter w internal springs and damping, the latter normally requires replacement. Peter is imo a sen master at this.

As a reference, i have a Brinkman bardo in another system… i won’t say the DP-75 is the equal… but for $$$ imo the 75 / 80 can be insane value…