Actually, it's down to your ROOM!
The Fidelios use a fixed rear-firing woofer, which Verity optimistically states works in 80% of rooms. I tried them, and was completely UNDER-whelmed at the loss of the bottom octaves compared to my 6.5" two-way small monitors!
I easily discovered that this was due to the fact that my listening position had the Fidelios in a 8' nearfield triangle with the speakers about 9' from the front wall...and with a double-door opening on the right rear side.
So almost ALL the rear-firing bass was swallowed up!
I tried the Encores (demos for $8k)...first rear-firing. Same problem. I then disconnected the woofers and was surprised to hear MORE upper bass from the Monitor-halves alone (although still lean). I then twisted the woofer-bases around and VOILA...GREAT bass!. I then called Julien Pelchat at Verity and faxed him a blueprint of my room, where he agreed that I had arrived at perfect placement and geometry, but suggested I sit 6" closer to them. As these speakers have no problem with center-fill (their drivers are matched to within 1/4 dB (phew!)), the 7.5' triangle continues to work marvelously.
So there's my caution: only get the Fidelios is you can stick them far enough BACK to get sufficient bass reinforcement. I think I remember Julien saying that they work best 3-5' away from the front wall. You won't get the 20' deep stage I get from the Encores in my setup, but at least you'll get that incredible coherence and natural portrayal that this midrange driver is known for. Do note, however, that the Encore has a more-extended 28mm tweeter (custom) vs the Fidelio's 19mm, so sidewall reflection issues DO vary a bit (the stage is wider with the Encore), but the biggest difference is in the bottom, where the VERY fast and surprisingly powerful 8" woofer blows away the 7" in the Fidelios. Well, at the price difference ($4500 vs $8k used) it should, eh?
At least you won't have to biwire them.
I have no experience with the Talon, but I suspect they're a more-traditional one-cabinet fixed forward-firing woofer
array, and therefore will have different setup issues.
I simply wanted to elucidate the common problems associated with Verity's speakers. If the room works you'll be in heaven. I use mine for pianissimo classical as well as that live Stones disc that's so much fun. If you crave the Verity's electrostatic-like midrange, then try to find a used/demo Encore so that you'll be happy rocking out, too.
Good Luck.
The Fidelios use a fixed rear-firing woofer, which Verity optimistically states works in 80% of rooms. I tried them, and was completely UNDER-whelmed at the loss of the bottom octaves compared to my 6.5" two-way small monitors!
I easily discovered that this was due to the fact that my listening position had the Fidelios in a 8' nearfield triangle with the speakers about 9' from the front wall...and with a double-door opening on the right rear side.
So almost ALL the rear-firing bass was swallowed up!
I tried the Encores (demos for $8k)...first rear-firing. Same problem. I then disconnected the woofers and was surprised to hear MORE upper bass from the Monitor-halves alone (although still lean). I then twisted the woofer-bases around and VOILA...GREAT bass!. I then called Julien Pelchat at Verity and faxed him a blueprint of my room, where he agreed that I had arrived at perfect placement and geometry, but suggested I sit 6" closer to them. As these speakers have no problem with center-fill (their drivers are matched to within 1/4 dB (phew!)), the 7.5' triangle continues to work marvelously.
So there's my caution: only get the Fidelios is you can stick them far enough BACK to get sufficient bass reinforcement. I think I remember Julien saying that they work best 3-5' away from the front wall. You won't get the 20' deep stage I get from the Encores in my setup, but at least you'll get that incredible coherence and natural portrayal that this midrange driver is known for. Do note, however, that the Encore has a more-extended 28mm tweeter (custom) vs the Fidelio's 19mm, so sidewall reflection issues DO vary a bit (the stage is wider with the Encore), but the biggest difference is in the bottom, where the VERY fast and surprisingly powerful 8" woofer blows away the 7" in the Fidelios. Well, at the price difference ($4500 vs $8k used) it should, eh?
At least you won't have to biwire them.
I have no experience with the Talon, but I suspect they're a more-traditional one-cabinet fixed forward-firing woofer
array, and therefore will have different setup issues.
I simply wanted to elucidate the common problems associated with Verity's speakers. If the room works you'll be in heaven. I use mine for pianissimo classical as well as that live Stones disc that's so much fun. If you crave the Verity's electrostatic-like midrange, then try to find a used/demo Encore so that you'll be happy rocking out, too.
Good Luck.