@charliee I’m not sure what noisy would mean either but we all describe sound differently. I have the Magnus XLR and Argentum RCA and I would not call either of them noisy. Both are fantastic.
Veritas Cables a new brand that I found
Always been a big fan of smaller cable makers. I've had great luck in my system with brands like Audio Art, Cabledyne (RIP), Audio Sensibility, and Triode Wire Labs. These and others I'm surely forgetting seem to offer so much bang for the buck compared to the more mainstream brands. Not exactly cheap but usually a great value for what you get. It's noteworthy that most of these are most easily found by cruising Audiogon, US Audio Mart, Audiocircle, etc and if you only ever read Stereophile/TAS you'll probably never be exposed to all these great options.
As with most people around here I've also had my fair share of Audioquest, Kimber, Shunyata, Cardas, Wireworld, MIT, and the rest of the big names. Some of those were very enjoyable but I have a hard time when I think about how big their marketing budgets are. And when my local dealer will always give me a deal for a very substantial discount, it makes me realize how inflated the regular pricing is. Not to mention I notice that many of these don't really get good until you move fairly high up the line, with their entry and mid priced options often being pretty uninspiring.
A few weeks ago I was browsing the various classifieds as I often do and stumbled across a name that was new to me. Turns out that's because they are new, period. Veritas Cables calls themselves a boutique hifi cable company specializing in small batch creations. That sounds reminiscent of early Black Cat Cable which they actually reference as an inspiration. This immediately caught my attention as I used to work with Chris Sommovigo at one point and loved his approach to building cables. The company had 3 items listed at the time: RCA interconnects, a power cable, and an ethernet cable. I liked what I saw but was actually in the market for an XLR interconnect, so I checked out their website (still under construction) which indicated more cables were coming soon. I figured it was worth an email inquiry to see what the time frame might be.
I got a quick response stating that they had just completed a batch of XLR cables and while most were spoken for via local word of mouth sales, they did have one extra set they could sell me. The price was well within my target and actually much more affordable than the others I had been looking at (Audio Art Copper Cryo, Morrow Audio MA6, Silnote Anniversary being the main contenders). So I took a chance on it, although with their in home trial terms it wasn't a huge gamble. They sent over an invoice with paypal and due to Veritas being in California like me the cable arrived very quickly.
When the company told me they don't use any fancy packaging, they weren't kidding. It was more like buying a second hand cable off a forum with no original packaging. But I've never cared about any of that stuff and would rather have that money go towards the actual product. In that sense I was not disappointed. Veritas calls this their Magnus cable and it shares design cues with the rest of their line I had seen listed on USAmart and the Veritas website. Specifically that means the use of a metallic silver braided jacket instead of the usual plastic or fabric sleeving most other cables have. This is the same approach used by Ed Bowman with his Cabledyne brand which I miss dearly. Back in the day my entire system was Cabledyne Reference Silver, then upgraded to their Vanguard line and was happy with that for quite a while. So I am very pleased to reintroduce a similar looking cable. That said the Veritas Magnus is somewhat thicker yet more flexible than the Cabledyne models which makes it easier to deal with.
Veritas doesn't come right out and list exactly what the internal composition is on their designs. When I asked directly they were happy to answer so it's not a complete secret, but I guess more of a marketing choice. Discussing this with them also reminded me of chatting with Ed Bowman, where there is clearly a lot of knowledge but also a desire to simplify things for a dumb end user like me. I tend to agree with their philosophy that says silver doesn't always have to sound bright and copper isn't always warm. Designers can do a lot based on geometry and purity and shielding and a dozen other factors to where a silver cable might actually be warmer and smoother than a copper cable. Or a copper cable might be more focused on speed and treble extension. Honestly I don't care as much about the specifics as I do about the end result, just give me an excellent performing cable no matter what it's made of.
In any case to my eyes the Veritas Magnus looks every bit as well made as the other options I had been considering. Those range from $630 for the Audio Art, to $1250 for the Morrow, to $1500 for the Silnote, all for 1.5m XLR versions just to give you a general idea. Meanwhile the Magnus was $389 which is almost what I would call entry level territory with the price of cables being what it is these days.
So far I've been using the Magnus to connect my Eversolo DMP-A8 to a variety of tube and SS headphone amplifiers in the $2-5k range, then feeding the amazing Raal Requisite CA-1a ribbon headphones via the Raal transformer box. It's a pretty simple system and this is the only interconnect involved, making it easier to spot the contributions versus a system with separate transport, DAC, preamp, and amplifier and of course cables running between each of them.
The sound I heard was shockingly open, clean, detailed, and smooth. Huge staging with impressive depth and even height on the right recordings. Very convincing tone on violins, guitars, and vocals both male and female. The Raal headphones are pretty ruthless and reveal all sorts of upstream shortcomings, but I got the feeling I was bouncing up against the limits of the DMP-A8 D/A conversion rather than the cable/amp/headphones. I'll test this out soon when I switch to my bigger system with a better/more expensive DAC, and I'll report my findings when I have some thoughts on that.
Checking my cable collection for things with a vaguely similar price as the Magnus. I rounded up a Harmonic Tech Truth Link, Analysis Plus Copper Micro, Anticables 3.1, and Moon Audio Black Dragon, all of which sold for somewhere in the sub $500 space (I think) at some point in the last decade. It was no contest, the Veritas Magnus outclassed them all by a significant margin. These are all decent cables with something to offer which is why I keep them around in my stash, but compared to the Veritas they all sounded either dull, thin, slow, compressed, or some combination of those traits. I also note that each of them looks and feels like more of a budget product (which I guess they are) where the Veritas Magnus seems like it belongs in an entirely higher class despite the price not reflecting that.
My next goal is to compare it to some others in my arsenal priced around the $1K range. So far, from memory I would say it feels very competitive even in that class, but I want to be more specific about it so no comments for now. The crazy thing is that Veritas told me they have another XLR option (didn't catch the name or other specifics) positioned higher than the Magnus, for what is likely still a pretty reasonable price considering their approach to the market. All of those were spoken for at the time but did ask to be notified when the next batch is ready so we can discuss that. I had been considering the Infigo Audio Sparkle or maybe even Sparkle Signature XLR down the road but I might detour to the Veritas instead, just for the sake of adventure. But that depends on the pricing and specifics they give me, if and when we have that discussion. I'm also curious about their power cables or maybe a USB down the line. Sometimes when cable companies try to do everything, they bite off more than they can chew, or seem to excel with digital rather than analog or vice versa. So it would be interesting to see if Veritas can do the full line of cables to this same high caliber.
In closing I'll say (and it's probably obvious) that I'm extremely impressed with this product so far. It's the most dramatic result I've had from a cable in quite some time, and I appreciate that it didn't involve spending thousands of dollars. The folks at Veritas really seem to be on the right track in terms of quality and value. Which is not to be confused with being very good at marketing a product, which honestly they don't really seem to be, nor do they seem to even care all that much at the moment. They definitely have some improvement to do when it comes to optimizing their operation, but they told me their focus is on organic growth and quality over quantity. That seems like a noble approach so I can't fault them for it. Their website also could really use more specifics but at least they answer emails quickly and are easy to deal with that way.
I'll be back in the next week or so with additional updates. Maybe some downsides will present themselves. But so far it's been a totally positive experience. Next up is my bigger system with more expensive components and cables, we'll see how the Magnus holds up in that context.
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@tksteingraber Glad to hear you are getting on with them so far. Discoveries like this are one of my favorite things about the hifi hobby. I also enjoy watches and cars and other things but it is unlikely that I'll stumble on an affordable performance car that I had never heard of before. This sort of thing is somewhat unique to audio. I will say that my Argentum R interconnects took a little time to open up and sound their best. Not terrible out of the box, but there was a process where they went from good to great to "wow!" over maybe a week to two weeks worth of constant burn-in. I've heard some cables transform into sounding completely different after burn-in, this was not quite so drastic but at the same time was significant. |
Veritas sends out an email newsletter of sorts about once a month with updates about new products and other things. I just read the latest, it is all about pricing. I anticipated it being an explanation of why they must increase pricing either now or in the near future. To my surprise they are actually lowering some prices and keeping everything else the same. I don't know how long they can afford to do that. They make it seem like indefinitely but that may not be feasible. Either way I appreciate the attempt. All of my hobbies are getting more expensive right now, hopefully just for a certain time period but we'll see. |
@tksteingraber Nice, I was the same way. Started with just one pair and ended up with most of my system being Veritas now. I don’t remember if I posted about it but I picked up a Connexa and Mirus network cables over the past month. Very pleased with both of them (used in different systems), they offer so much bang for the buck. My plan is to go with speaker cables next, trying to decide between their Aperta or Aperta SE. As usual they were very helpful in giving information without trying to upsell me on the more expensive option. I’ve always liked pure copper in my speaker cables so I’m not sure which way I’ll go yet. |
@twoleftears I use several Aeris power cables in my main system and I love them. I believe they are hybrid design with 7N UPOCC silver and copper. I either read that in this thread or heard it from Veritas directly, can't remember. Not sure if they ever mention the exact awg but these are pretty thick cables. I would guess at least 10 awg at minimum.
@charliee I was debating those Zavfino models but never got a chance to hear them. I skipped the Majestic because I didn't feel 12 awg was quite enough for my amp. It probably is but you know, more is better mentality. The Prima would probably be perfect for me. I went with Veritas because the pricing was better and after emailing them they recommended the more affordable Aeris over the Praesto based on my stated preferences. The Aeris is sort of stiff, just flexible enough to work in my system. I've had worse. They said Praesto is more flexible but I'm glad Aeris worked out for me. |
It’s great to see more satisfied users just like myself. I’m currently using multiple Aeris power cables, Audax USB, Argentum R interconnects, and a Connexa network cable all in my main system. Only thing missing is their Aperta or Aperta SE speaker cables which I plan to get once I finish adjusting furniture in the room. I have other systems in the house using the Magnus interconnects and Mirus ethernet cable. Still very impressed with each and every one of these cables. Has anyone asked Veritas about I2S cables? I’m currently investigating that format for a headphone rig I’m building using Denafrips gear that supposedly works best with I2S. |
@tksteingraber Not sure how helpful I can be since I use the Connexa and Mirus in different systems. I never really compared them in the same setup. In general I hear ethernet cable upgrades as being maybe about the same impact as power cables. Meaning in some cases it is pretty substantial, other cases not really big or maybe not noticable at all. For power I guess that depends on the quality of grid in your area, plus the noise profile in your home, any ground loop issues, do you use a power conditioner or regenerator? And the list goes on. Not to mention the power supply quality of the gear being connected, as some do a lot more than others in making cables irrelevant. For network it has its own set of conditions to determine the impact. Like you said, tons of isolation and power supply upgrades mean in your case maybe not a factor or at least a really small one. For me I tend to have more straight forward basic connections and I feel that probably makes it more cable dependent. Maybe something I should work on (where to start...) but I am happy with where I'm at so far. @lak Thank you. I've been experimenting with a bunch of I2S HDMI cables and the quality is highly variable, seems not connected to price for the most part. I just emailed Veritas to see if they maybe changed their minds about making one. We'll see what they say. |