Vandersteen 2ce subwoofer options, REL or 2wqs?

I sold REL when they first came into the US. They are still a wonderful product, but one of the most Overlooked subs on the market is Paradigm.

Depending on budget, The Defiance X10 for $1k is a great value. It has Anthem Room Correction and an app that allows you to control the sub from your phone. The X Series is built in Canada and the woofer’s surround (ART - Active Ridge Technology) on the cone holds two US Patents = It increases the output +3dB (which is the equivalent output of two woofers) and cuts the distortion in half - those are the two patents. It’s incredibly musical and will pressurize your room improving the harmonics of music you listen to just like the REL does.

Pressurizing the room is something very few talk about. When you’re at a concert (in a venue/hall/auditorium i.e. an enclosed space, when the orchestra plays, or the band plays, the room becomes pressurized and this helps the harmonic detail unlike going to a concert that’s outdoors. So for avanti1960 to say that subs don’t add clarity to a system, that’s not really true. A great sub can add a lot. I would also recommend doing one sub over two lesser subs. There is not strength in numbers with this, only room for more problems. So if you're going with more than one, they need to be good, not average or just ok. Always get the better thing.  

Also, the Defiance Subs have the kind of output required for home theater that the REL’s don’t. Check out the Defiance Subs on YouTube and at Paradigm.com Want to go higher end, look at the Prestige Subs by Paradigm.

Thanks,
Chris

Dear @paulburnett : For some years now I own two Velodyne HGS-15 system wired in true stereo fashion, great great quality performers  Velodyne is out of the market but its subs are very good builded and does not fall down.

The next ones, even that are different models , can works for you better that the 2wqs or Rel. Yes comes with the high-pass we need with subs.

If I was you I will make a call to both sellers. The chasis broke that hadf those units does not affects its very high quality performance but its looking:

https://www.audiogon.com/listings/lis9d5bf-velodyne-dd12-12-powered-subwoofer-remote-as-is-distorted-sound-16972-subwoofers

https://www.audiogon.com/listings/lis9d5h1-velodyne-hgs-12-subwoofers

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.

((((. I understand the potential merits of an integrated Vandersteen speaker system, but are there other options? anyone try REL T9i with 2ce sigs? Same concept of running subs off the amp outputs, but you lose the high pass of the mains. ))))

Could it be any clearer that most folks do not understand the potential of high passing w Sub 3 or 2WQ?  If you did you would have a solid game plan or done it already.....

Its a unique concept especially for the speakers that you already own.
even with the basic140 dollar affordable high pass

There is a Vandersteen Video coming out to show /explain how easy this procedure is to better understand their advantages.

When done correctly it's not even close with fidelity.
Many folks live with bass bumps, which sevearly cloud up where our ears are keen and accept it as normal operation

High passing 
  not only smooths out the bass in room response Vs Humps & lumps,
it relieves heavy lifting of the main amp dramatically improving dynamics, clarity, and transparency.
 With superb speakers, you already own high passing truly brings them to the next performance level.
The Newest Sub 3s, like Quatros, Five's and Sevens allow further tailoring of the in-room response with analog adjustable room compensation.
  JohnnyR
Audio Connection
Vandersteen Dealer

Paul - try calling a few Vandersteen dealers, customers always switching back and forth between balanced and SE amps and they will often have a used set of high pass filters available 
Try Randy at Optimal Enchantment in Santa Monica..

taking the bass load OFF your amp is a lot of the magic of Vandersteen powered bass, dont miss out on that treat!!!