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VAC Owners:Outboard Phono Stage?

I'm contemplating my next upgrade. Thought you guys could help.

I spin mostly vinyl. I have a great analogue front end that feeds a VAC Standard LE pre and VAC PHI 200 amp, both of which I love. The MC stage on the pre is really good, but a little noisy (hiss). Kevin is sending me new 12AX7s that Brent will test for very low noise at the VACtory. Those guys just rock!

My question, however, is how much do I need to spend on an outboard MC phono stage if I want a significant upgrade to the already wonderful sound of the built-in stage?

I know, why don't I just enjoy the wonderful sound? Because it's upgrade time, baby! There will always be a next level (we really need a 12 step group for this hobby).

I'm looking at the Zesto Andros ($3900), the Herron VTPH-2 ($3700), and possibly the new Manley Chinook ($2200).

Ideally, I could audition these in my system, but the nearest dealer is far away, so I'll have to order one.

Any thoughts are welcome. Thanks,
Alón (no, not Wolf)
alonski

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rhljazz
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I have the Renaissance Mk 1 with phono.  I always thought the phono stage was bland and lacking dynamic expression.  Initially, I was using mm cartridges.  Then went to high output moving coil cartridge always using the mm input.  I went through a couple of outboard units, Musical Surroundings, and a Vacuum State Jlti which I preferred over the VAC phono.
A year or so ago I decided to give the VAC another chance.  I found that a lot of break in time was required.  As a guess around 60 to 70 hours at which point I preferred it to the Jlti.  Then I went to a low output cartridge and the whole process with the moving coil input needed to repeated.
I still swap in the Jlti every so often but overall I would rate the VAC phono as being very good.
So, if the line stage you auditioned did not have the phono stage broken in, you did not hear its full capability.
Buy the phono stage within your preamp.  I don't think you will be ultimately disappointed.  It is likely you will be less than satisfied at first.
Btw I am using VAC supplied tubes.
rhljazz
1,255 posts
 
Be persistant robd2.  Ten hours is barely a taste of what is to come.  I'm glad you have you have been open minded and decided to proceed.  It has taken me years to take the time to give the phono a fair trial.  I have owned the VAC since 2003.  Yikes, like 12 to 13 years to come to the patience to give it a go!  

I'm currently listening to Weather Report Sportin Life as I type which is dynamic and well recorded.  Sounds great!

Enjoy the journey.
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