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Tubeaholics please advise

I have the Counterpoint SA-4 OTL monoblock amps, which I bought retubed about 10 years ago, running Martin Logan CLS's. No problems so far, but the mileage is getting up there. You cannot bias the SA-4 tubes individually, so matched sets of tubes are recommended. They take 8 6LF6's per side, which I am now finding out are nearly impossible to find NOS in any quantity, and if you can find them, are going $100.+ per tube!
Issue: (1) should I buy a few used tubes and keep nursing the amps along, despite the fact the used tubes will not be matched? Or just start saving now for a new set of amps? (2) given that OTL amps can fry speakers when the tubes die, what are the telltale signs that a tube is about to go?
thanks guys!
stilts1
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mcfarland
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I have a pair of friends who each has a large stash of vacuum tubes. I will check with them on the availability of the 6LF6 tubes which you require.
tpsonic
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They will glow more brightly,but you will probably notice that they are becoming noisy.When the tube goes,you will measure a DC offset voltage.
Transcendant Sound,Joule Electra,Atmoshere and Einstein also build OTLs.Please check the reputation of the importer for the Einstein gear out of Germany-don't know who it is.
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nsgarch
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If you love those amps with your CLSs (and you should!) have this guy upgrade them to the max, which includes a separate biasing unit that allows the use of unmatched 6LF6's:

http://www.altavistaaudio.com/SA-4.html
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tpsonic
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The offers I posted on, use the 6as7,6c33c-b and the EL-509/519s.The last are probably the hardest to find,but I understand that Transcendant carries the tubes for his amplifiers.
elevick
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Did you check out tubesandmore.com?
They have NOS for $67 and used for $28.

Also, I wouldn't mix different strength tubes if you can help it. From what I know, even if you bias them correctly, the newer/stronger tubes will burn out more quickly than they normally would if using all of the same strength.
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atmasphere
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The EL509 is probably your best bet if you plan to update the amp for a new output tube, given the scarcity of the 6LF6s.

If I were you I would contact either Altavista or Rodger Modjeski, who put in a lot into the design of this amp.

Good Luck!
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stereo_phile
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I have such large stash of 6LF6 GE NOS tubes that Roger Modjeski graded and matched for my Counterpoint SA-4 amp. Back in 1988, I found out the tubes were being discontinued so I bought a stash of 250 tubes.
jw94055
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Check out tubemonger.com. Easy to work with. Good luck.
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happynick
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I say if it sound good and isn't ringing or very bright,keep it! Old tube radio's from the 40's many of them have the same tubes in them and I regularly find an old dynaco 70 with original tubes for sale that the sellers says they check out fine,so perhaps just have them checked out by a tech and if they are within specs,hey spend the money on a weeked vacation or whatever.that's my opinion,Nick
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