True or False?


The following is a common sentiment from some who claim to be audiophiles.

If you hear something but can’t measure it, you only think you heard a difference.

 

This notion is also common among people who claim to possess an accomplished understanding of audio, especially when achieving a high level of performance for a minimal investment.

So who’s right? On the one hand we have Objectivists who claim if you can’t measure it, you can’t possibly hear it or if you do, its expectation bias and self delusion. Are these people correct? Do they get as good as a sound, or better for far less money by ignoring cables, power cords, mechanical isolation, basically any accessory that many have found to dramatically improve performance despite a lack measurements? Do those who dismiss expensive digital to analog converters as being no better than rather common digital components with decent measurements get just as high a performance level as those of us with MSB and DCS? Do people who claim it’s all about finding perfect speaker placement, do these people outperform those of us with systems that cost multiples more than what they pay (Who also pay close attention to speaker placement as well as everything else)? Or do those of us who pay attention to cables— digital, analog, and power, what we set our components on top of, how we place our speakers, acoustics, and tweaks, expensive DACs and the like, do we get better sound? Who’s right? And how do we ultimately determine sound quality?

 

 

 

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Showing 6 responses by noske

@cat_doorman I’m not signing up for a meditation retreat either.

Quite good and inexpensive resources are available to learn about and practice meditation that are designed by people with scientific and medical backgrounds.

Choose wisely - a couple educational books and CDs/media of your choice..

The new-age business is notorious for snake-oil salespeople taking advantage of vulnerable folk, and extracting from them more hard currency than some small third world nations have.  I'm getting vibes here dude.

@asvjerry  That makes two of us.  In hindsight, best to not introduce politics.  My bad.

Anyway, what's the point of taking it seriously was my point.  Really, when it is apparent to me that it is not asked in good faith, but rather as a "gotcha" fishing trip.

This term "flat earthers" I’ve seen here sometimes and it confuses me. I have questioned it in the past and received a less that satisfactory response from a @carolkong (??) shill who no longer seems to be registered.

Supposed to refer to those who seek measurements and scientific observation?

Explain this from a position of common sense. I will continue asking this until logic prevails.

Is this the form of discussion prompt one may find on a liberal arts examination paper?

@djones51 True, but I don't claim to be an audiophile.

After being here for some months now and reading and learning what esteemed audiophiles are supposed to believe, I'm discovering that I too am not worthy.

Perhaps an objective euphonophile.

@pesky_wabbit my understanding of the term is that it refers to Chris Frankland

Wow. Thankyou.  Isn't this a great example of how the meaning of a term or phrase can be flipped on its head over time.

I liked the irreverence, and the subjectivism is as valid as anything we read in a forum nowadays.