True or False?


The following is a common sentiment from some who claim to be audiophiles.

If you hear something but can’t measure it, you only think you heard a difference.

 

This notion is also common among people who claim to possess an accomplished understanding of audio, especially when achieving a high level of performance for a minimal investment.

So who’s right? On the one hand we have Objectivists who claim if you can’t measure it, you can’t possibly hear it or if you do, its expectation bias and self delusion. Are these people correct? Do they get as good as a sound, or better for far less money by ignoring cables, power cords, mechanical isolation, basically any accessory that many have found to dramatically improve performance despite a lack measurements? Do those who dismiss expensive digital to analog converters as being no better than rather common digital components with decent measurements get just as high a performance level as those of us with MSB and DCS? Do people who claim it’s all about finding perfect speaker placement, do these people outperform those of us with systems that cost multiples more than what they pay (Who also pay close attention to speaker placement as well as everything else)? Or do those of us who pay attention to cables— digital, analog, and power, what we set our components on top of, how we place our speakers, acoustics, and tweaks, expensive DACs and the like, do we get better sound? Who’s right? And how do we ultimately determine sound quality?

 

 

 

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Showing 3 responses by holmz

High End audio is subjective at the end of the day.

But at the beginning of the day it is mostly objective, with designers and engineers using theories and measurements to work through the design phase of a variety of gear.

They are not sprinkling cables, nano particles, (etc.) into a witch’s vat like an alchemy class or magic potion.

In fact we have moved from alchemy to chemistry and physics over few millennia.

The magicalness seems like a bit too much foo for many. If you can show that it makes a difference, then it is easier to consider using it, and whether that difference will be sonically better or sonically worse in a specific person’s particular room.

If you can show any of it, then it should be easier for us to grasp it.

You guys prattling on about measurements, did you actually read my original post? Or is this just a reflexive, triggered reaction? The question isn’t measurements versus no measurements, or anti-measurement. The question is, do people who do everything, acoustics, measurements, and things like cables, accessories and higher end electronics for which there is not a sophomoric suite of measurements that prove anything, do we get better sound when we pay attention to everything versus guys who only address what can be measured and ignore everything else?

There were 8 question marks in the OP, excluding the one in the title.

That sort of concise literary rigour, sort of gets a tapas plate of responses.

Isn’t measurement bound by the current state of the art? We went from flat earth

Say it ain’t so.

… to molecules to nuclear to particles to quantum physics over a millenium:

More like in the last ~100 years (0r a bit more) we got quantum mechanics, relativity, and Maxwell, Faraday and Volta in electronics.
And Solid state electronics and computers in less than a century.

 

who says that measuring audio is different?

Good point!
Audio is a lot more like a Flat Earther conference..

 

Let’s keep refining the measurements by using our ears!

And also use our eyes to confirm that the Earth is flat?