Townshend Audio Podiums: The Full Review


I’ve been fascinated with the importance of vibration control for more than three decades now. A lot of my experience is already covered in Millercarbon's Mega Vibration Control Journey https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/millercarbon-s-mega-vibration-control-journey The Journey ended with springs. Then I got Pods, and wrote Vibration Control and the Townshend Audio Seismic Pods https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/vibration-control-and-the-townshend-audio-seismic-pods Now as we continue our journey forward it is time to review the Townshend Audio Podiums.  

Podiums are based on the same basic engineering used in Pods. A spring is encased in a rubber sleeve that functions as a sort of bellows, trapping the air inside. At the top the spring is attached to a threaded metal plate with a single very precise small hole in it. The threads are for height adjustment and the hole is to allow air to pass through. A very small, precision-controlled amount of air. This tiny little hole allows the air to function as a damper.  

A fundamental challenge with springs is they bounce. We want them to bounce. But we do not want them to keep bouncing! When that happens we say it resonates, and resonance adds color. It is a form of distortion, and we don’t want it. Springs all by themselves are already very good at isolation. Please read the above threads to see just how good they are. But even as good as they are springs do have this problem of resonance.  

The problem with damping is figuring out how to achieve it, and how much to use? The air valve method Max Townshend invented uses only a couple percent damping ratio and does this with air alone and no moving parts. Genius!  

The four damped spring towers are attached to a very dense, massive and inert plinth. My traditional knuckle rap test yielded a very satisfactory ’thunk’. Stiff and highly damped, it is also covered in an extremely durable and beautiful finish. Sliding speakers on and off left zero marks on them, and they really are handsome to look at.  

The damped spring towers at each corner are threaded for two different leveling adjustments. The first is to level the unloaded Podium on the floor. This first step eliminates any problems or situations where the floor is not perfectly level. This adjustment (if necessary) is made with a special thin wrench that comes supplied with the Podiums.

The speakers are then placed on the Podiums and fine tuned for precision placement. At this point, loaded with 150lbs worth of Moabs, making fine positioning adjustments on my thick carpet proved a bit of a challenge. The solution I came up with was BDR Round Things under the footers. Furniture gliders would probably also work. If it is even a problem. My carpet and pad are very thick. They do look like they will work beautifully on hardwood flooring.  

Once perfectly positioned the speakers are raised by turning the knobs at each corner. There is a process to doing this. First all four are turned equally, until all four corners are floating free and clear. It is essential to allow freedom of motion in all planes. Once this is achieved then the speakers can be adjusted perfectly level by turning the knobs in pairs- the two on the left or right, or the two on the front or back. Adjusting in pairs this way avoids diagonal rocking.  

Describing this process in print is hard but doing it in practice is easy. In fact this was the coolest part of setting them up! With the Podiums I was able to place my level right on the Podium. Even fully loaded with about 150lbs of Moabs and BDR the knobs turn silky smooth, and precision leveling is super easy.

Okay, okay, so how do they sound? In a word: wonderful! This can’t come as much of a surprise. They are after all basically Pods attached to a plinth, and the Pods work wonderfully under everything I have tried. Still, the Podiums are pretty impressive.  

The first thing I noticed was improvement in the direction of what I would call a more natural sound. Natural sounds are almost never described as having glare or strain. Natural sounds can be quite loud. But there is a difference in nature between a loud natural sound and the same sound through a system. They may measure the same volume but we have no trouble hearing the difference.

At this point I have to agree with Max and say that the difference is ringing. Natural sounds start and stop very quickly. Sounds reproduced by our systems cause the system itself to vibrate, then the room, and the room feeds back into the system until the whole thing is ringing like a bell. This all happens very fast and can be seen demonstrated on a seismograph placed on a speaker. https://youtu.be/BOPXJDdwtk4?t=6

In any case, whatever the explanation it is clear there is a lot less glare and strain with speakers on the Townshend Podiums. This results for me in a lot less listener fatigue. Another thing I find is that while I don’t necessarily need to turn the volume up, when I do it is way more enjoyable! The combination of speakers like Moabs capable of playing very loud and strain-free with Podiums is intoxicating!

The next thing I’m hearing is a massive improvement in what I would call truth of timbre, or tone, or whatever you want to call it that makes each individual instrument sound more like itself and not any other. Not the big differences that distinguish a steel from a string guitar, but the little details that distinguish one wood-bodied gut-stringed guitar from another. Not hyped-up count the spittle hitting the mic details either but the sort of tonal shadings that distinguish the real vocal talent from the second-tier. Even now after more than a month on Podiums still I put on records that have me going Wow that wood block really is a wood block!  

This is why I spent so much time explaining Max’s damping mechanism. Before Podiums my Moabs were on springs. The load was the same, and the springs were properly sized for the load. However, the springs on my DIY platforms were not damped. Consequently, they had their characteristic resonance. This resonance colors everything played on them. Like viewing the world through rose-colored glasses- you may like what you see but that ain’t the world! Now on Podiums the world as presented by the Moabs is full blown Ultra Panavision 70! https://vashivisuals.com/the-hateful-eight-ultra-panavision-70/

Those who follow me know I am not just about sound quality, I am also about value. Because I am so passionate about sound quality, but have only limited resources, I have to be. No way I have enough money to go chasing the latest and greatest. One look at my system anyone can see how hard I will work if it will get the job done for less. https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/8367 

For sure springs will do a very fine job for very low cost. Just about any spring, properly tuned and used, will outperform an awful lot of stuff that costs a whole lot more. For sure anyone in the market for good vibration control solutions- and that should be everyone! - should consider springs. But Townshend Podiums are so much better than ordinary springs that I have to say that even at their price they are not just as good value, but even better. They are that good.


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I also have tried and purchased Townshend Podiums. I have placed them under Linn Akurate speakers and I have to say they have resulted in a considerable improvement in my system. The improvement is not subtle and all one needs to do is to walk around the sound room and notice that there are no noticeably bad areas for the sound being produced. I am not saying there is no sweet spot, there is. I am saying that these devices seem to have the effect of eliminating areas in the room that existed before where the bass seem to overwhelm the music being played and the music itself would otherwise sound somewhat distorted. All rooms seem to have areas where the sound being produced by the system seems to be almost -if not actually- unlistenable. Over the years I have tried every equalizing device I could get my hands on and I can't recall anything that works as effectively as the the Podiums and it absolutely does not color the sound coming from your speakers - you get what you had but in a more refined form. There is a review of these things by Neil Grader in the Jan., 2021 edition of Absolute Sound. This article is responsible for first introducing these things to me. If you chose to try  them, measure your speakers and you only need the platform the speakers would sit on to be approximately 1"-2" or so larger on each side than the speaker itself. 
ozzy4 - the same EXACT thing happened to me. The packages got separated and one was delivered on Thurs. and the other on Mon. Something that might be helpful - find a level area and level these things before placing them on the floor at which point you will relevel to conform to the floor. It you start with these things levelled that helps the levelling process on the floor. As the instructions will tell you, once the speaks are on the platforms you then re- level using the top nobs on the platform/podium. Good luck. 
millercarbon:  " The bottom line then is completely the opposite. The population of things that could be improvements is getting bigger. Not only that, it is no longer "could" but now with experience I know it is "will". Like for example the last thing I did was to my crossover, which I knew would be an improvement, the only remaining question being how much. Quite a lot, as I found out.

The beauty of all this is it is now quite easy to say with certainty that enough of the right tweaks and accessories can elevate performance far above anything attainable with the conventional big box component upgrade approach. This leaves me more stoked than ever to hear what lies ahead!" 

And this brings us back to the original starting point -i.e. first speakers, the amps., etc., etc.  I think this is really why it is and what keeps it an interesting hobby. If you once became convinced there was nothing more to tinker with, experiment with and try it would become about as interesting as a chair and you would move on to something else that keeps your bank account at a manageably low level. 
millercarbon:  There is a good deal of skepticism about these things and I think I may understand why. At a certain point in the development and "perfection" of an audio system you have likely already tried many, many things that make intuitive sense and are left to experiment with things that are less obvious. Spikes were what many of us were taught were essential and the Podiums reverses all of that thinking. The longer you work on your system the more things you have likely tried and, at a point, the population of things that "could" offer improvement gets smaller and smaller. Springs sort of conjure up the idea of a BS idea - I mean doesn't spending a couple of thousand dollars and ordering devices from England so your speakers can set on springs sound like the result of some unique/different thinking? I think it does but, nevertheless, I was and continue to be surprised at the level of improvement that these things produce.
 Ozzy and Millercarbon   I installed using a slightly different approach. Since the idea of the Podium is to essentially suspend the speaker I avoided adjusting the what we will call the bottom feet to a minimum level. My approach was to make certain that the Podium was quite free moving from front to back and from side to side by adjusting the bottom feet up and away from the lowest setting. In other words, my bottom feet were probably 2 to 3+/- turns up from the minimum or lowest setting. Once I had done this on my kitchen counter I moved the speaker in question and placed the Podium exactly where I wanted it to be when the speaker was placed in final position. As Millercarbon points out, the weight distribution of many speakers leaves the speaker weigh-heavy toward the front of the speaker meaning that once it is on the Podium you will use the top adjustment knob to level from side to side and from front to back. It is my take on these devices that the more free moving the speaker, the better you have accomplished the desired goal. If the Podium is in contact with the floor/carpet you have partially defeated the purpose of this device to suspend the speaker.
    As long as you stay away from leaving the Podium in contact with the floor/carpet when the speaker and Podium rocks in any direction I don't think you can go too far wrong.
   As for getting a 140 lb speaker onto the Podium I would suggest a hearty breakfast and at least one weight-lifting friend. As you probably have already seen, the surface of the Podium has a pebble like surface and you will likely want to be careful so as not to scratch the bottom surface of your speaker. The speakers don't slide well on the Podium which is a good thing once the speaker is installed but a bad thing during installation so I placed a piece of fabric on the Podium and basically walked the speaker onto the Podium. That seemed to work relatively easily and without tooooo much frustration. Once on the Podium I adjusted the top adjustment knobs so as to slightly raise the elevation again with the thought in mind that I believe the objective is to leave the speaker as free moving as possible. Try rocking the speaker back and forth and from side to side -it you hear a clicking type sound I would recommend raising the elevation because I believe such sound is a sign that the speaker is not completely free moving. 
   Good luck and for one, I would be most interested in your evaluation of these devices once installed and you have had the chance to listen to your system.

OZZY   I suppose it says something about us when we will sit and struggle over figuring out how to install a light switch which will control a light from 2 separate switches but yet we have the innate ability to relatively quickly figure out how to get our speakers onto the Podium platform. Now that you have done that with one speaker it likely really annoys you -as it did me- that they didn't deliver the other Podium at the same time. Glad you were able to complete step one. As I said, I am quite sure we would all like to hear your review of what this does for your system. Good luck.
OZZY  One last note that I think has not been mentioned. Since these devices will change the way music is presented you may, as I did, find it necessary to change, for example, the volume level of your sub or bass if you are not using a sub in addition to toe-in - toe-out, etc.

I think Millercarbon and I are of the same mind in hoping your shipment shows up on Monday and, also, that you give us your reaction. You are likely to notice  improvement in your system with your very first listen but you are also likely to continue to notice improvements in the sound of your system when you really don't expect it. My experience was that music pieces that in the past seemed quite ok will surprise you when played again. Are you ready? 
Millercarbon, Ozzy:
" But whatever the reason it kind of creeps up on you more and more over time just how much better it is. This is different than the usual deal where something burns in or whatever. Pretty sure all the improvement is there right from the beginning. It just takes a while for the depth and breadth of it all to sink in." 
  I think this is a good description of what you are likely in for - you just don't know how much better it is all at once.
cd318
This isn’t exactly an audio issue but an issue like this can creep up in any great number of circumstances and it seems to me that it makes sense to deal with it wherever you encounter it. I agree with both the examples and the sentiments you expressed above. Who is fit, able, justified or competent to decide what I want, would like or otherwise absolutely have the right to read or hear? I am and you are not. The idea and practice of censorship seems to me to be close to if not absolutely no better than a crude form of control. It’s not important if I agree with it or not - it’s important that I can hear it, say it, write it. The George Carlin 7 forbidden words USSC case of many years ago was not only amusing but Carlin was certainly on point. I was interested in the post on the Townshend Podiums but it suddenly ended. Why, who wrote what could be that offensive? Millercarbon, ozzy and I were continuing notes on our experiences with these Podiums and I can't even find that discussion now. I understand this is a private forum and we have to play by the rules but then again???????
millercarbon
"I was interested in the post on the Townshend Podiums but it suddenly ended. Why, who wrote what could be that offensive? Millercarbon, ozzy and I were continuing notes on our experiences with these Podiums and I can’t even find that discussion now. I understand this is a private forum and we have to play by the rules but then again???????

Actually no, it is not a private forum. They have one here you pay money to do the same thing as here only with a smaller audience, so pay more get less. This one anyone anywhere in the world can view. It is public as public can be. In this case, again, perfectly within his rights to pull his own posts. Unforgivably irresponsible to do that to others. As I hope he is learning."

My reference to this being a "private forum" was misunderstood. What I was referring to is the fact that non-governmental institutions are not required to assure your 1st and 14th Amendment rights of freedom of speech whereas governmental/governmental supported institutions absolutely must protect your free speech rights. "Private" entities can abridge your right to free speech by censorship or otherwise anytime they choose with no legal consequences. It is non-the-less an offensive practice but private entities are within their legal right to so piss people off. My reference to "private" had nothing to do with who could, or could not, view and participate -i.e. post, in the site
Millercarbon
   Not still wrong but for a different reason. You are talking about protection from libel suits for publication or re-publication. I am talking about the protection of 1st and 14th Amendment rights of free speech and who must protect it and who has no legal obligation to do so. Because I am protected from actions for libel has nothing to do with whether I must also abide by and protect your rights of free speech. I can delete your post if I don't agree with or otherwise deem it inappropriate and that has no bearing on my protection from libel. The comment I delete, for example, may be something to do with one's political views that I simply don't agree with and not at all libelous to begin with. I'm talking about an obligation and you are talking about a protection. This forum can delete any views it deems objectionable without in any way affecting its protection from actions for libel if in deed it has such protection - a government or government supported body cannot do so but must honor your rights of free speech.
millercarbon, ozzy
I am wondering if we are not just chasing our own tails at this point. I think we understand each other and nothing more need be said. Podiums good! Next topic? Do we agree?
CD318
These podiums and the principles upon which they a re based is apparently another example of something hidden in plain sight.  As I previously commented, it really makes you wonder how many other things that would produce considerable improvement have gone right over our heads only to be "discovered" by us years later. I am convinced that it is a hobby because you are compelled to continue the search for improvement even though it sometimes leaves you scratching your head wondering why you didn't "catch on" sooner.  As I have also previously said, once you become convinced that no further improvement is possible or you are no longer interested in continuing the "search" for improvement, your system will become just a little bit more interesting to you than a chair or a coffee table.
Every once in a while I will notice an expression on my wife's face as I explain to her how moving the speaker an inch of two in one direction or another or how moving a plant in the listening room makes a difference, etc.. That expression I see on her face expresses exactly how I imagine I would be reacting to someone explaining things like this to me - EXCEPT, slight changes in speaker direction/elevation, moving inert things in a listening area, etc., etc. really do make a difference and as hobbyists we agree with and recognize those differences. Where else except in a forum of hobbyists could Millercarbon explain how rubber bands can improve the sound or me explaining how minute differences is speaker direction can make a difference and we all take that information as instruction, as progress and we appreciate it as that and not as a sign of mental instability? I, for one, after my positive experience with the Podiums will be exploring the feasibility and best means to isolate other components.