Too good a post to waste


On a thread that is a running example of the textual equivalent of nonstop cat videos. So here it is again.


I could understand the cables are snake-oil doubters and take them seriously- in 1980. Back then there was no internet, Stereo Review was pretty much it, and Julian Hirsch was the Oracle of all things audio. Stereo Review and Julian Hirsch said if it measures the same it sounds the same. Wire is wire, and that was that. 

Even then though J. Gordon Holt had already started the movement that was to become Stereophile. JGH took the opposing view that our listening experience is what counts. Its nice if you can measure it but if you can’t that’s your problem not ours. 

Stereo Review and the measurers owned the market back then. The market gave us amplifier wars, as manufacturers competed for ever more power with ever lower distortion. For years this went on, until one day "measures great sounds bad" became a thing.

Could be some here besides me lived through and remember this. If you did, and if you were reading JGH back then, I tip my hat to you, sir! I fell prey to Hirsch and his siren song that you can have it all for cheap and don’t really have to learn to listen. Talk about snake-oil! A lot of us bought into it. Sorry to say.

But anyway like I was saying it was easy to believe the lie back then because it was so prevalent and also because what wire there was that sounded better didn’t really sound a whole lot better.

Now though even budget wire sounds so much better than what comes off a reel you’d have to be deaf not to notice. Really good wires sound so good you’d notice even if you ARE deaf! No kidding. My aunt Bessie was deaf as a stone but she could FEEL the sound at a high enough volume, knew it was music. The dynamic punch of my CTS cables is so much greater than ordinary 14 ga wire I would bet my deaf from birth aunt Bessie could "hear" the difference. Certain so-called audiophiles here, I'm not so sure.

Oh and not done beating the dead horse quite yet, according to my calendar its 2020, a solid 40 years past 1980. Stereo Review is dead and buried. Stereophile lives on. A whole multi-billion dollar industry built on wire not being wire thrives. Maybe the measurement people can chalk up and quantify from that just how many years, and billions, they are out of date and in denial. 
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fuzztone, +1 *L*  Indeed....

I was a fan of Audio.  I own a soldering pencil, the old Weller died awhile ago.  Audio systems vs. cars?  Your system, despite enthusiasm, won't kill or maim you or anyone else.  Make you tone deaf, perhaps....at least to 'opposing opinions'. Despite glowing reviews, your wetware between the ears will always be the final opinion that rules.  A lot of the SOTA offerings still strike this cynic as 'sonic jewelry'; the cost of the physical object d'art outweighs the normally unseen circuitry. (If it looks good, it must sound good as well, Right?).

I've more heretical (mho) things to 'voice', but I need to go sharpen my keyboard....

'Ciao *S*
Geo, geo, geo....'daylight come, an we wan go home' *slaps self*...

You would mention direction....😒  It makes me think (I do, on occasion)..

Diode. Gate. Limitation(s). Interference. ChChChChanges....

Which drives this goat's groat back to OFC in the lower gauges, 12 minimum.  The higher the watts, the thicker the stick....

(Low RMS currently....no need to loosen the paint currently....)

I'll wait until a double blind is run on cables ONLY.  All levels set on everything to match db.  EQ to 'flat' as well.

I hope I survive long enough for a quorum on it.....and my hearing as well. ;)
@jafreeman , I'd actually support 'SAM', given a parameter or so...

'K....you're blissed out, listening to a 'fav' rendition.

Unbeknownst, some snot has snuck a pair of uberquiet digital switches into your stack and intro'd a deviate cable pair Somewhere in there.

At an appropo moment, the switch is engaged, then disengaged at another proper moment.  And done repeatedly, given the same timing.

Now....assuming this addition was done with perhaps only your SO's co-operation....(and don't retaliate....that's not nice, and likely illegal in some states....)...

Are you Absolutely Positive you'd notice?  Would you leap out of chair, and go stare at the TT?  Flip switches, twist dials. wonder "WT...'?

Or?

Just being the devils' advocate....don't take as a personal attack.
That's not the point....*s*


Your mind is the Best Toy you have, and will ever have.

Take it out to play....;)
I'll just comment on pre-disposition....and move on....

Say what? *L*

...just a tease....;)

Having a spouse that majored in the 'science of the mind' back @ CSCSF, how the mind 'works' (and doesn't) has been something I had more exposure to than most.  That, and a contiuing fascination of what and how that coiled mass in ones' skull taints and paints one's entire existence....

Don't misunderstand me....everyone thinks.  One could surmise that some 'do' it better than others, which does have a particle of truth.

What you think, how you perceive, how you react....has been, and continues to, be so subject to the experiences of ones' entire life that one  can say with all honesty that nobody 'thinks' alike.

I can 'walk a mile in your shoes'...and still not experience it in the same way.  I'm not You.  You are certainly not me.

To say "You can't remember what you heard a minute ago?!"

Of course you can.  How you experienced that is already been immersed into the rest of your synapse structures.

You didn't hear what I did....or the inverse of that.

We can agree that we listened to the same thing, through the same mechanism, at the same time.

It doesn't surprise me that there's so much discussion about it in these pages.

What floors me is the amount of time, energy, and space spent trying to make the 'pointless point'.

'Tribal squabbles' comes to mind....well, mine, anyway.

And I'm well aware that I don't think like most....nor does that bother me one iota.

Cheers despite all that, J
uberwaltz, if there was a plot...

...we're down to sifting sand though fingers, looking for some trace of it...;)

Random disassociation seems to be more entertaining in the long run...

Too much lead and heavy metals in the fireworks....yeah, that's it....
....the 'cute' reference seems more like finding a burning Kraft bag of waste on your porch....but I just got here, and I think I'll just mosy on....*g*cringe*shuffle shuffle*
jpwarren58 lives in an Interesting section of the eState....but does serve as an example of what happens when one mixes the Red & Blue pills....

"Will Mr. Waite Godot come to the White Coutesty Telephone."