Tone controls -- assuming you're ok with them, when would you try them?


So, I'm learning and experimenting w/ speaker/sub placement. I've had some success. Presently using my old Adcom GTP-400 preamp (treble, bass, and loudness/contour controls). It's likely my next amps won't have tone controls (nor balance). 

Beyond compensating for old/bad recordings, I realize there is, nevertheless, a standing debate whether tone controls are worth the (likely) sound degradation. Imagine that debate was settled and tone controls were deemed worthwhile, overall. IF you'll stipulate to all that, my question is this:

QUESTION: If the sound is not right in your room, and you've placed speakers as best you can, what do you try next? At what point do you go for tone controls?

Perhaps some just go for tone controls from the get-go…happy to hear from you all, too.

FWIW, I saw this nice list from @erik_squires on this topic:   
erik_squires8,293 posts
08-19-2017 11:06am
Tone controls help us compensate for differences in recording trends across decades of recordings.
Tone controls help us adjust our sound quality to different listening situations and volumes.
Tone controls help us adjust for speaker placement.
Tone controls are much cheaper and more efficient way of doing this than most other solutions.
A good tone control is a lot easier to implement than a good equalizer. Fewer bands so more affordable to use high quality parts.

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I have a Manley Stingray II, which has a REC OUT / LOOP IN capability. Thinking of adding a Schiit Loki to tweak tone, especially for low volume night listening. At normal volumes, system seems right on - but who knows. Maybe the Loki would improve things overall. It’s cheap and easily defeatable. Thoughts?
I’ve had older multi-band equalizers. All degraded the SQ of high-mid to high end systems. The hope is that the Loki will essentially be transparent (although it does add either one or 2 ICs into the signal circuit). At $150, and easily bypassed, it’s worth a try for someone who has the funds. Also the simplicity of having only 4 bands seems like an advantage.
The disadvantage of using the tape loop circuit (vs preamp/amp or source) is that there will be 2 extra sets of interconnects vs. one extra set. You may spend more on the ICs than the Loki, and have more cable degradation.
Well, I got my Loki just to see what it would do. Schiit shipped the day I ordered it.
Love it! And, it did not noticeably degrade sound quality as far as I could tell.  It can be bypassed with one pushbutton on the Manley remote. With the mid bass and lower treble turned up just a bit, there was more prescence and “air” on most recordings - especially voice. Very subtle though, and I probably couldn’t tell if it was in or out of the circuit without instantaneous a-b switching.