To ring or not to ring?


Own a VPI Classic 3 with the heavyweight clamp (as well as the screw on clamp), but didn't spring for the periphery ring in order to hold down costs. My lps are in good condition; so, not sure I need a ring for the sole purpose of flattening warped lps. I can always switch to the screw on clamp if I ever come across one. But some reviews attribute sonic improvements to the rings. IMHO the VPI ring is very pricey. TT Weights offers a couple cheaper alternatives. Question is - even if I don't have any warped lps, would I glean sonic benefits from using a ring? And if so, does it really matter which ring I purchase?
rockyboy

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I have used a variety of copper mats in conjunction with weights & washer or reflex clamp & washer on a variety of TT's and in my experience hard mats such as stainless or copper always sound better with a proper clamp system designed to couple the record to the mat. Without a clamping system the results lack focus.
Listening to a variety ( copper, stainless, original & resomat ) on the mongrel version of the Krebs Technics SP10 in the same system showed me that none of the mats were perfect. Based on my own experience I believe this was due to the lack of a clamp with the metal mats.
Same result with the Goldmund Mat, which I have heard on the Goldmund, Sota, Oracle & Technics SP10, it sounds much better used in conjunction with the reflex clamp.
Most weights manufactured today do nothing unless the record mat/platter is slightly concave because they have a flat bottom and cannot apply pressure at the perimeter of the record label to clamp over a washer placed under the record.
Very few records are truly flat, and therefore unless you are using a soft mat such as felt or leather then the records are not supported across their entire surface on a hard mat such as metal or acrylic unless a clamp/weight is used and has been designed properly, that is either the record mat is slightly concave as in the goldmund, or a washer/reflex clamp system is used.
I am not sure why anyone would put a clamping ring under the record, unless of course they are superman and wear their undies over the top of their trousers.
Larryi/Redglobe
Your posts are spot on. People should think of mats as a transmission device, not an end point. They should drain the unwanted energy away from the vinyl into the platter and beyond.
Copper is much quicker than acrylic in terms of draining energy, but equally important in determining the effectiveness of the mat is what is underneath the mat.
On my Final Audio Parthenon TT the 4.5kg copper mat,1.8kg stabiliser, 15kg platter & substantial gunmetal subplatter are specifically designed to provide a rigid platform for record playback and also wick away the unwanted energy. The whole platter system is terminated with a 40kg rigid slab of SPZ which is a superplastic zinc alloy that grain slides at a molecular level when excited by mechanical resonances.
What I hear with this deck over my earlier decks which included WT, Oracle, Pink Triangle, Roksan & Vaccuum Sota and other decks such as the direct drives SP10/L07D is an absence of smear, a focus and density to notes that is missing from most TT's. I put this down to the energy control design as well as the power supply which consists of an AC motor driven by split sine/cosine wave generators and 80w power amp. This was an early 1970's cost no object product that preceded the Melco's, Micro's and SP10/LO7D but in my listening experiences is superior.