Time to upgrade the pre-amp.


I am currently running and ARC SP-16l into an Art Audio PX-25 power amp which feeds a pair of Blumenhofer Genuin FS2s (94db). I listen to mostly vinyl atm, and I have an external phono stage (Icon PS1 mkii). I think at this point, the pre-amp is the weak link.

Although I am not wedded to buying another ARC preamp, I am leaning in that direction due to company reputation, longevity, accessibility of local dealers (Northern NJ) and resale value, though I am definitely looking for that full mid-range and "musicality" typically associated with all tube architectures.

I have an opportunity to buy an SP-11 for $4,000, and from what I am seeing, if I wait, I may be able to get an SP-10 in that same range. However, for ~$2,000 more, I could likely get a Ref 5SE, which would be the top of the budget, but has in addition to any sonic advantages, a remote and tube hour tracker.

My questions are: (1) is it worth holding out for the newer Ref series (~10 yrs old at this point) vs the SP10/11 which are 40 years old at this point; and (2) if it comes between the SP10 and SP11, What I have read here is that the SP10 is all tube, but while that unit’s phono stage is particularly strong, the rest of the line inputs are not up to the SP-11. If it turns out that they are close, I would likely choose the SP10 between those two.

Very interested in how folks think about this.

saulh

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With the input sensitivity and gain of the Art amp, why do you think you need something with so much gain? You are only throwing it away.

 

Edit, I just saw @verdantaudio addressed this issue already.

 

 

 

I am of the mind that if a system is passive friendly, and I think that the OPs, like mine is, then a very good passive linestage is hard to beat. I have plenty of gain from both digital and analog sources. I understand that an analog front end can be challenging, but with my SS Carmen II (2.2 mV) into an SPL Phonos using the 50db of MM gain, I have plenty of volume.

I know some think only active preamps can give the body and slam to the music they prefer. But I contend that in the right system, this is not so. I suggest anyone interested in a good passive give Hattor Audio a look.

 

http://www.hattor.com/dualmono_preamp_the_big.html

My take is that you need zero gain, and will be the better for it. YMMV...