Thinking of Magnepan ... finally!


Until recently, most of my amps have been tube-based with the exception of a few great SS integrateds thrown into the mix for fun. That's probably the main reason I have stayed away from Magnepans (or other speakers of its ilk) thus far. Now that I have an Aavik U-280 integrated amp that can do 300 watts @ 8 ohms and doubles to 600 @ 4, I would love to scratch that itch finally. Keep in mind that I do not intend to get rid of my other speakers (Joseph Audio Perspective2 Graphene, Harbeth SHL5+, Fritz Carrera BE) since I love them all for different reasons. The Magnepans will be rotated in the main listening room with Joseph Audio Perspectives. One thing I like about Maggies is that they are relatively lightweight so I can move them to the closet without breaking my back when not in rotation.

Since I've never owned Magnepans before, I have a ton of questions and doubts. So here we go ...

Bass (or the lack thereof) -- I've been told that the Magnepans are very light on bass and definitely require at least on subwoofer. Is this true in all cases? Anyone using them without subs and happy with the performance? TBH, I really would prefer that I don't use subs but not set in stone for sure.

Breathing Room -- my room is 20' x 15' with 12 foot ceilings. The speakers will be placed along the short wall (15'). I can pull them out by about 4.5 feet from the front wall and 3 feet from the side walls. Seating distance will be approximately 8 - 9 feet. Is this good enough or do you think more distance, especially from the front wall, is required to truly enjoy the speakers?

Mods -- I've also heard that the stock components (crossovers, fuses, etc.) and stands are suboptimal. Is this true? If so, what are the minimum requirements to bring the speaker to a higher standard and at what cost? 

Value -- For someone who is just starting out with Maggies, which model is a good entry point? I know that LRS+ is a good value, but my other speakers are very very good, so I want to do justice to the Maggies as well. But at the same time I don't want to spend more than I need to. Where do you think the sweet spot lies, i.e. which model(s)? I will be looking for used only since I've already spent way too much on other speakers.

Imaging -- I've also been told that imaging on Maggies is not that great. I have never heard Maggies before so I have no idea if this assertion is true or not. Your thoughts?

And finally, I want to hear from folks who love their Maggies. What is that you love most about the speakers? What qualities do they bring to the table that no other speaker does? Are there magnetic planar speakers from other brands that I should also be considering? Keep in mind they have to be readily available in the used market. So please don't suggest something that doesn't meet this requirement.

However, to bring some balance to the feedback, I would also love to hear from those who tried Magnepans and moved on to something else. Why? What was it that you didn't like about them? What did you move on to?

Thanks in advance and a sincere request: Please keep it civil ... no need for haters of Magnepan to use this as an opportunity to diss the brand.

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@mclinnguy All good points! 

Where I find I am enjoying the "impact" is on leading edges of notes- like bass guitars- you know, the electric amplified ones. I get a little "punch" from the midrange driver that was not so noticeable with the planars. 

I'm getting the same results after adding the subs. Another benefit, due to subs, is the midrange has more 'meat on the bones' now. It has added the right level of warmth but without crossing into the syrupy warm territory. However, at the end of the day, planars will never give you the visceral punch in the guts type of slam that a traditional speaker like Wilson Audio will. But that's not why you love Maggies, right? They do so much more that you tend to forget about the shortcomings.

I'm completely with you on the insane value the Maggies, especially the 3.7i, provide. I have owned speakers up to $30K and I can confidently assert that the 3.7i's can take on any of the speakers, and in some ways better them. But they do require some effort.

Regarding your comment about Gaia footers, I was advised by someone whose opinion I value, that the Gaia footers are not the best choice for Maggies. He recommended Auva speaker isolators by Stack Audio for carpeted floors. But I have not tried them so it's neither here nor there.

 

Regarding your comment about Gaia footers, I was advised by someone whose opinion I value, that the Gaia footers are not the best choice for Maggies. He recommended Auva speaker isolators by Stack Audio for carpeted floors. But I have not tried them so it's neither here nor there.

I am positive the Auva's would be better, the Gaia's provided a positive benefit, and considering the price paid is well worthwhile, but for sure there are better options out there. But, if I were considering spending $1200 US for those Auva 100's I would seriously consider spending a wee bit more and getting Live Vibe's. I am going to guess your pal hasn't tried them.

I own 4 of their platforms but only relatively recently, and I have only put them under components. I love what they do there, and I planned on placing a few of them under the Mye stands but they don't fit without some minor modifications to the stands. I will try them under my Eufrodites eventually once I get familiar enough with the "new" sound and compare them to the Gaia's. 

Both Stack Audio and Live Vibe offer money back guarantee's- man I would love you to try both and provide comparisons, yeswink as long as Robert can provide ones that fit the base of your maggies. If you have lots of time give Robert a call- he is old school and likes to talk for long periods of time cheeky

I am happy your ears/brain are similar to mine and you are enjoying the Maggie sound, and echoing what @lalitk stated above I am enjoying reading your experiences. 

https://livevibeaudio.com/

@mclinnguy Thanks for the Live Vibe rack suggestion. If you look at my virtual system you will see that all my racks are Live Vibe, including the two three-shelf racks and the one underneath my Vitus amp. This was one of the best investments I made in my system. The improvement in sound was obvious the moment I put in the racks, and it was not subtle! This reminds me I need to update my system pics as it's still showing the Harbeth speakers. Need to take some new pics this weekend and update my virtual system ... just been lazy!

At one point, I had asked Robert to build some nice stands for my Harbeth speakers but the cost was prohibitive. Once I get my Mysound stands in, I will contact him again to see what he can do. Thank you for the suggestion.

Besides ordering the new stands from Mysound, I'm also seriously considering the GR Research Magnepan 3.7i kit, which is basically a vastly improved crossover. Just looking at the before and after graphs published on Danny's website, it looks like a pretty substantial improvement. I would love to hear from someone who has tried this and is willing to share their experience.

@arafiq Oh! I didn't realize you already had them! Silly me. Yeah, it not a typical footprint under the maggies. 

I would love to hear from someone who has tried this GR crossover mod and is willing to share their experience.

So would I- I did mine myself but just using stock values, and rewired the drivers with Neotech OCC solid core wire- it was so satisfying to remove those $0.01 dollar tin connectors from the tweeters. I see Magnepan actually provides this X upgrade to those who desire it. 

Just 1 hour ago, fresh off the Fedex truck from Japan, I have just hooked up a 4 watt (!) tube amp to my Horning's, and started with the most logical album to break in my first ever tube amp- Dream Theater- Awake wink

And it rocks!!!!!!!!! Wouldn't work so well on the 3.6r's of course laugh