The Insane World of High End Audio! Is it All a Scam?


This 15 minutes of youtube video by "cheapaudioman" say a lot and hide a lot...

He review low cost products ...

His analysis of audiophiles world here seems fair to me...

But nowhere in all his videos and in this one  he mention "acoustics" as the basis of audio hobby, the anker of any system  and gear piece  evaluation and satisfaction...

He  always talk about the gear... Probably acoustics for him as for most is only acoustics panels purchase...

My point is not that the audio world of audiophile is a scam with scammers...

Not at all.

It is ignorance  of what is acoustics basics that makes people victim of their own decisions  and a potential prey for honest or dishonest sellers..

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeqbFYaJisQ

mahgister

Showing 8 responses by hilde45

I'm glad to see someone on YouTube finally gathered the courage to critique high end audio. Those fat cats have put one over on us proles for way too long.

I’ll put my point more positively:

Sometimes we benefit from reviewers who translate their experience into tools, techniques, and vocabulary which can help someone who also plans to learn and then listen and experiment for themselves.

We are in agreement about that, I assume.

Yes, the audiophile market thrives on widespread audio and acoustic ignorance, and true progress requires self-education through direct acoustic experiments, not solely relying on reviewers.


But the idea that we don’t benefit from reviewers is not something I agree with.

Many (not all) reviewers have spent more time and may have more expertise than the average listener. And can help educate what we hear by conveying their techniques for listening, positioning speakers, and use of vocabulary that helps manage confusing auditory experiences. I’ve benefited in my own listening by their help.

Well said i agree with your common sense yes...

But my point in this thread as a motive, is that all reviewers, of high end gear or low cost one, minimize or put acoustics knowledge under the rug...

They must sell first, then they must inform about a piece of gear.....They are not there to spoke about acoustics...

"All" reviewers do this? Well, maybe.

I suppose you could be saying a couple of things about gear reviewers:

1. They *intentionally obscure* the larger factor of acoustics so they can more effectively sell or promote equipment. 

2. At least some gear reviewers are intentionally obscuring the larger factor but even if it is not intentional, it is the byproduct of this type of review.

I am not sure which one you believe.

I suppose my take on it is this:

3. Gear reviewers review gear. People who watch these videos may or may not be informed about the role of gear in acoustics, but their role is narrow and the responsibility for a wider perspective is on the viewer. This is not unlike many other things we read or watch.

It seems nothing will change...
Like a bull blind by rage seeing a red cap and going against it...
My point was not driving people against or for one any reviewer...
my point was that the "scamming" process in audio result from our own ignorance as consumers or as reviewers...

Acoustics are critical and most people ignore that.
And it’s frustrating that people don’t see this.

Yes.

 All matter when we create an audio system , even cables... But nothing compare to acoustic analog control...

Agreed, and the honest makers of good gear will say this. Interesting discussion here with a leader at Benchmark regarding what makes the biggest difference. Answer: the room.
 SEE: https://www.youtube.com/live/AIv79_NRASw?si=sfhN-PfIsr78DtQA&t=528

 

I didn't "close the thread." 

I gave my opinion that the thread seems exhausted -- it is going around in circles, Mahgister style. Just my opinion, but of course all one has to do is look at your posts here and in many other places to see you saying -- just my opinion -- the same things again and again. Just my opinion.

I'm allowed to express my opinion on a forum -- that is all I'm doing.

Maybe others here will continue to engage, read your posts, hear your message. I am exhausted and that is my opinion about the thread, too.

Just my opinion.