The Hub: News, events, gossip - Sound by Singer to close


For the last quarter-century, there has been no high-end audio dealer in the world as well known as Andrew Singer, of Sound by Singer in Manhattan. From the junk-bond era through the last burst bubble of the markets, the megabuck systems sold by Andy Singer reflected not just the extremes and excesses of the high end, but of Wall Street itself.

On the 6th of August, Singer informed his vendors that "despite our best efforts, Sound by Singer has lost its lease and will be shutting down its showroom at 18 East 16th Street, New York, NY in mid-September." He did not state specifically that the company was going out of business, only that the company would "ponder our next move" after the completion of a clearance sale on August 21st.

Attorney Andrew Singer began his business more or less as a hobby in the late '70's, demoing systems in his mother's living room for a hardcore audiophile clientele. Singer left the practice of law in 1978 with the opening of the first Sound by Singer store on Lexington Avenue between 34th and 35th Street; his first employee was Steve Guttenberg, now well-known as an audio writer, reviewer and blogger.

From the '80's on, Singer's bearded visage became a common sight in full-page ads in audio magazines, most notably in Sterophile. Singer's advocacy contributed to the success of many brands, including Krell, JM Labs/Focal, and VTL. Perhaps more than any other well-known dealership, Sound by Singer was viewed as an extension of its owner, and that owner evoked strong reactions in those who knew him, and those who merely knew of him.

Singer's verbal facility, combative nature, intolerance of fools and imposing physical presence made him the subject of endless stories, some no doubt apocryphal. We may never know, for instance, if an amplifier really was shot full of holes following a dispute with its distributor.

The audiophile community is familiar with stories of Singer's alleged arrogance; the industry abounds with tales of hard-dealing and tough terms. Many who worked with and for Andy, though, are fiercely loyal.

"I think he was a great businessman," said Steve Guttenberg. "I was with him for sixteen or seventeen years, on and off, and always got along with him well.The thing most audiophiles don't realize is that retailing audio is hard work, and we worked hard there. The bulk of the time, I worked my ass off; every day was a race to get things done, and they just didn't all get done."

Guttenberg noted the changes in clientele that came as Sound by Singer grew from an audiophile hangout to a destination for the rich and famous: "in the early days, the customers really were exclusively audiophiles. In the last ten or fifteen years, I'm guessing three-fourths of the customers were rich people, not necessarily audiophiles."

John DeVore of DeVore Fidelity knew Andy Singer both as his boss and as one of his dealers. "I started in sales in '96, and worked there until about 2000, and tapered off as my company got up and running," DeVore said. "I always liked Andy, and still do. He was my biggest dealer, and when he called to tell me about the closing--well, that wasn't a conversation I wanted to have."

Strong opinions seem to follow most of Singer's actions, and they've followed the news of the closing of his store. Posts on an industry forum on CE Pro were less than kind; high-end legend and founder of The Absolute Sound Harry Pearson said the closing was "a fate richly earned and deserved."

What Andy Singer will do after the doors close for the last time at the familiar storefront on 16th Street, and he ponders his next move, remains to be seen. Some say that health issues and age mean retirement is likely; others speculate that Sound by Singer with adapt to the demands of the virtual marketplace and reappear as an online business. Efforts to talk with Singer have proven fruitless.

John DeVore offers a comment that will encourage some, and dismay others: "Hi-Fi is really in Andy's blood. I'd be surprised if he didn't come back."

Our next entry of The Hub will discuss still more changes in the world of audio retailing. In audio, as in the rest of the world, the only constant is change.


UPDATE

Sound By Singer has moved, and is not closed. Please see their new location here: SOUND BY SINGER,LTD. 242 WEST 27 STREET,SECOND FLOOR NEW YORK, NEW YORK 10001
audiogon_bill

Thanks for the heads up, Bill.

Like so many stores with "thousands served" it is not uncommon to have a vocal response from all those that had a negative experience, or two at SBS :o).

Considering the 7 year arc of feedback I received from customers that shopped there as well as my own and other vendors experience, I would say the store was a major positive for high end. No matter which NYC store you mention, there will be complaints from anyone that felt slighted and I am sure there are a number given the volume of traffic through each store. Lyric even locks their doors to manage walk-ins and Innovative has changed a lot from the ultra-highend store that it was.

Yes, Andy could be difficult and I am sure earned some of the comments made. I usually found him honest, direct, sharp minded and committed to representing the best of HE Audio--ok and sometimes grumpy. I'll take those attributes over some of the other more problematic personality traits I have run into at some " other" dealers across the US.

Losing any top vendor that had as impressive an array of brands as SBS lessens everyone's choices, even at other less trafficked stores. It affects distribution, it shrinks the diversity of brands available to customers. Ultimately it limits choice and opportunity for exposure to great but maybe less exposed lines. How many NYC dealers support lines like Zanden, Soulution, VTL, VAC etc? Mention any NYC dealer on these pages and there will be complaints associated with them, whether Lenny, Elliot or Dave but having the four-horsemen as HE dealers in NYC was better than 3 plus a number of more boutique shops like Park Avenue Audio etc.

Before everyone starts celebrating the loss of SBS as a retail presence it might help to put it in proper context. Andy was committed to HE like few other dealers. He was not a video or commodity broker. It is a tough business and he was appropriately seasoned for it. I also thought the staff was mostly great, Mike Nadler, Bill O'donnell Ben, Ava and the crew were a hard working, knowledgable and generally friendly group.

I wish them nothing but the best in the future and hope it does not portend more difficulty for the NYC market, which for better or worse is a major artery of HE Audio in the US and overseas for distributed brands.

Regards,

Grant
Shunyata Research
In 1979 I bought a pair of large Acoustats sound unheard (thanks to TAS) at full list price from Sound by Singer and had them shipped to me in Boston. Problems ensued. For starts, they needed even more than the measly 200w/channel I could supply. There was other stuff too. Telephone calls were no help, although I can't recall to whom I spoke.

Several months later, in New York, I visited his Lex Ave quarters and asked to hear them properly. But Andy knew full well that I had already purchased the set, so I got the old brush-off. I persisted and finally was granted an audience -- but no assistance. He put on a record and disappeared.

Finally I sold the damn things for half price.

When I got into the audio business later, Andy served as an inspiration -- not to be like Andy!

No hard feelings though.

And here's a lovely PS -- that same day I dropped in to Lyric, the Rudest Audio Salon in New York if not in all Christendom, and was magnificently treated by Mike and Lenny. Who knew?
Never met him, never went in the store, saw the ads in Stereophile. A presence and marketing force in the industry is, at least temporarily, leaving. Were these flush times others would rush to fill the void, these aren't and good, bad, or indifferent, he will be missed, for what he offered, like it or not.
Sno: dunno what to say. Sorry for the bad experience.

Note: I think I need more coffee before I can absorb your comment. Thanks, though.
I met Mr Singer and had some short lived dealings with him a few years ago. What I can say is that I felt deeply sorry for him then, as I do now.

After a short while with him, I became immediately aware that a perfect brithday gift for him would be an acrylic box of slow moving flies, with which he could secure them one at a time and tie a sewing thread to each ones neck, allowinghim to observe them fly in tight circles restrained by the thread between his fingers. That would preceed his tearing their wings off, one by one, as they slowed down further.

I wiser man than both he and I once said: "The lowest state of a man is one wherein he feels the uncontrollable need to dominate another man".

Possibly through this understanding, those who read this can understand my sorrow for him.
I went into the store a couple of times, and was always amazed about how condesending that group could be. I figured the first time I had hit it on a bad day, but every day appeared to be a bad day.

At one point they were blowing out Transparent cables for 50% off, so I bought a bunch. In comes the CC bill, and they're full price - umm, what's going on here? "Oh, you didn't say they were on sale" Say what?

Disgraceful business practices and mannerisms. I fully agree with Harry Pearson - "a fate richly deserved" is right. Glad to see them gone.
Chief--I hate to see anybody close, doubly so when it's someone as influential as Andy.

Davt--got it. I wonder who the Marley would be in this story?
Audiogon-bill, don't forget Jacob Marley. As seen above there are those that had positive experiences with SbyS and remember those with enough fondness to weigh in on a positive note. Jacob was the first ghost and expressed his concern for his old freind, as some others have done above and no doubt will continue to do. In all seriousness, I am sorry to see this business end. I really hold dear the good old fasioned brick and mortor audio store and hate the idea of them laying down with the dinasours.
I use to see and read the Sound by Singer ads in Stereophile; I liked them. I always hoped that one day I would go to New York and visit that show room, perhaps even make a hard deal and purchase something. What bothers me more about the closing is that I hate to see any business in these times have to shut their doors. As a worker and a consumer, that saddens me, I wish him luck.
AZ twins: audio is full of ex-attorneys. Not an accusation, just a comment. Ironically, most manufacturers I know NEED a good attorney.

Srwooten: what, think that was over the top? Eh, maybe. One gets carried away on occasion.

Davt: Four ghosts? Weren't there only three?

Bird: Sorry to hear of the issues. Scoundrels on the internet? I'm shocked, shocked I tell you!

Pookie: thanks for the kind comment.

Gomer: thanks for the not so kind comment!
I had the opportunity of visiting Sound by Singer this Summer. My reception by the sales force was much less than favorable. They were all standing around drinking coffee, and had no interest in auditioning a few pairs of speakers for me. Little did they know I was carrying a AE black card. How do run a business like that? No surprise they are going down. I feel no sympathy for them what so ever based on my impression.
Andy was always kind and patient with me for 25 years but I have also seen how he treated others who walked into his store and yes, his hubris and arrogance caught up with him but I will greatly miss him and his store. A great and profound loss. I wish Andy nothing but the best life has to offer and thank you.
The legend of Andrew Singer's arrogance is founded on fact, not just myth.

Some years ago, upon delivery of a new Conrad-Johnson Premier 17LS Mark 2 from Sound By Singer, I found a cheap black plastic OEM remote inside the box - not the C-J metal gold anodized one. When I called and spoke to Singer directly about this issue, through some convoluted logic it became my fault. He must have been an effective lawyer because I actually began to question myself, "Could this be my fault?"

In the end, I had to get the C-J factory in Fairfax, Virginia involved.

During my undergraduate years at Georgetown University, I made several trips by Metroliner to NYC. I recall that when asked what I wanted to see, Sound By Singer was an actual destination.

Yet, it does worry me that this landmark store will not be around. It worries me even more what dealing with him through internet sales will be like. The internet - one of the last bastions of scoundrels.
Boy, from what I have read on this and other sites I sure hope that Mr. Singer gets visited by four ghosts real soon.
the megabuck systems sold by Andy Singer reflected not just the extremes and excesses of the high end, but of Wall Street itself.

I could not read past this sentence. You gotta' be kidding.
Many have weighed in on Andy's personality!
While i could not describe him as endearing i could say that he was a saavy businessman who might have taken some of his earlier personality from his days as a lawyer and mistakenly tried to affix that to his days in Audio retailing!!

i do not believe in kicking someone while they're down...Especially when medical issues are present and we have not heard the whole story...
Like i said, he has much to mend from his past but maybe now a clearly new vision of what and whom he needs to be into the future!
Wow. It sounds like this guy would get more love if he went back to being a lawyer!