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Foster, I forgot to mention, we're still into hard bop. Since west coast and hard bop are in the same time frame, we'll pursue them on parallel tracks. |
Foster, west coast jazz is taking me on a stroll down memory lane. Not only was west coast cool, but the people who liked it; were the coolest and "hipest" I ever met. Not the fake "wannabe", but cool to the bone; like they were born genetically "hip". The records I have are worn out and can't be replaced. I'm hoping we get lucky and this thread attracts a west coast jazz aficionado. Here is Bud Shank "Well You Needn't". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKC6YrK1UKs&feature=related |
"Why say it with words when you can say it with music". Orpheus, that sums it up. The music tells the story in its own words and people react. |
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At no time in history have we had a jazz explosion like the decade 59 through 69. While "hard bop" was progressing, another genre was cooking; "West Coast jazz", and it was cool. I went to a movie with a sound track so gripping, that I became engrossed in the music, "Who cared what the movie was about". That was the nature of "west coast jazz"; the very best jazz was on movie sound tracks with long ago forgotten movies. The sound track from the movie "I Want To Live" is a good example of west coast jazz. If anyone can recall the TV series Peter Gunn, that was also west coast jazz. Grimace might be able to help us on this subject. My examples are from the sound track of the movie "I Want To Live"" and the Newport jazz festival. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmp4vtuCWwYJazz on a summer day; Jimmy guiffre. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfLsEH4csQ4 |
Albertporter, I liked that. Sonny Clark and Jackie Mac sound good together. Do you have "Sonny's Crib"? It's my best CD by Sonny, I think you will like it. |
This is one of the best, a hard bob favorite recorded back in 1958. The whole album is fantastic musically and the recording is stunning on the original, the the Classic Records four disc 45 RPM and The Music Matters Jazz release on 45 RPM (two disc) version. The cut I linked to is Blue Night, everyone is in perfect form, a perfect Jazz album in my opinion and one I play frequently. Deep NightPro review notes: Sonny Clark in the leader's chair also featured a young Jackie McLean on alto (playing with a smoother tone than he had before or ever did again), trumpeter Art Farmer, and the legendary rhythm section of bassist Paul Chambers and drummer Philly Joe Jones, both from the Miles Davis band. Also: The LP closes with Henderson and Vallée's "Deep Night," the only number in the batch not rooted in the blues. It's a classic hard bop jamming tune and features wonderful solos by Farmer, who plays weird flatted notes all over the horn against the changes, and McLean, who thinks he's playing a kind of snake charmer blues in swing tune. This set deserves its reputation for its soul appeal alone. |
Qdrone, I can't find anything. Could you email me? |
Orpheus you actualy should read Alfred Lions take on Grant Greens body of work that was not released before blaming Blue Note. |
Every time I hear Grant Green, I almost break out in tears. He died of a heart attack in 79 because he went on the road against his doctors orders because he needed the money. If his body of works that was done at Blue Note in the early 60's had been given exposure, he would not have had any financial problems. Grant had so many works of art that it's difficult to choose one, but I did; "Idle Moments" by Grant Green. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbEwVrDmlxk&feature=relatedWe can't discuss the evolution without discussing the players who made it happen. |
Grimace makes a great point, and one that should be remembered when discussing hard bop, as well as any other genre. The evolution of any art form is a continuum. New styles seldom pop up out of the blue (pun intended). This is a great thread, and exactly what I would love to see more of on Agon. But I think it would be great to dig a little deeper as concerns the artists, and the chronology of it all. In discussions such as this, we tend to focus on artists who gain prominence for a variety of resons; some not so obvious. When we think of hard bop tenor we think of Trane more often than not. But who knows what Trane would have sounded like had there been no Dexter Gordon; one of Trane's biggest influences (by Trane's own admission)?
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Check out Tete Montoliu on piano. Brilliant, and unfortunately not well known is this country.
Qdrone, while Miles is often credited for spawning the fusion movement, there were artists of less prominence (at the time) who beat him to the punch. Guitarist Larry Coryell, vibist Gary Burton, and rockers Ginger Baker and Jack Bruce, had all been part of projects which fused jazz and rock, before Miles experimented in that realm. |
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Qdrone, I don't know the answer to your question, but we can explore your post as a group when we get there. Since fusion came after "hard bop", that will be the next time phase; but we still have another genre to explore in this time frame. |
Would it be safe to say then that Miles spawned Jazz fusion because of Bitches Brew? He then followed with albums that intergrated these two genres like Agartha,Pangea,Dark Magus,Live Evil,Black Beauty and Live at the Filmore West leaving in his wake a stunned following. |
Foster, the decade from roughly 59 to 69 was equivalent to a hydrogen "jazz" bomb explosion. There was so much "connoisseur" jazz created that I'm still making new discoveries.
Although we're into hard bop, there was another genre on a parallel time track, that is almost forgotten; but not by me. Since we have two genre's in the same time period, we'll have to cover both of those before we go to the next phase.
There is so much music in this period, that we're going to be here for awhile. Rather than even mention the other genre, I'll wait to see how everyone wants to proceed.
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man, this is so fantastic; Lee Morgan is my favorite on trumpet. "Dat Dere" piano player is too tough, and Blakey, Mr. "Thunderdrums" makes it all come alive. This is almost as good as being there. "Night In Tunisia" by Lee Morgan is a version with Pepper Adams on baritone sax. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOIgcC0lPkUThis is "Here I Am" by Donald Byrd with Pepper Adams, "One bad jam". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBbph3Umo2A |
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Can't discuss Hard Bop without Miles. Please click on the link Miles |
Grimmace, you made valid statements in regard to the origination of modern jazz; however, we've moved on to the next phase, which is "Hard Bop". There is much that can be debated in regard to the origination of jazz. The confusion arises when jazz and "modern jazz" are not seperated.
If you began a thread designed to discus the origination of jazz, I would certainly engage and participate.
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This is a "music" forum. Now, thanks to "youtube", we can use music to illustrate what ever it is we are trying to say about music. For example: I think John Coltrane "Blue Trane" is one of the best "jams" from the Hard Bop genre, and to prove my point; I invite you to click on "Blue Trane" by John Coltrane. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpZHUVjQydI |
And Coltrane showed everyone how saxophone can be played. So did Miles with trumpet. Sorry if I jumped ahead quickly. |
I wouldn't go so far as to say that Bird created bebop/modern all by himself. Bird was a great leap forward, but he was certainly not the only guy playing. Music is a continuum: Louis influenced Roy Eldridge, who influenced Dizzy and Miles, etc. Then you've got people like Coleman Hawkins who spanned the whole period starting in the swing era and then moving up with the times. Your explanation suggests Bird popped out of the ground fully formed. Not so. Great idea for a thread though. Not enough good jazz conversations on here. |
Although modern jazz began with "Be Bop", I've seen almost no post's on that genre; therefore, I feel we should move to the next phase of this evolution, "Hard Bop". While those posting probably didn't think of their post in terms of the genre "Hard Bop", that was the genre they were posting in. We think in terms of the title and the artist; not the genre. When I give you an example of Hard Bop, you will be able to submit examples of your own. My first example is "Somthin Else". This is the title tune of one of the most popular jazz albums ever. It features artists you are familiar with. Click on this link and enjoy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzlvrrVPUKwMy next example is "Moanin", by Art Blakey and The Jazz Messengers. Audiophile's I've met had this one in their collection even when jazz wasn't their main thing. The individuals in this group went on to form their own groups. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKXsnDvILmI Although this one is not an example of "Hard Bop", it is one of my favorites. The very same musicians on this tune sometime play Hard Bop together, but not this time. Most "Goners" are quite familiar with all of the musicians on this tune. I give you "On Green Dolphin Street", by Miles Davis. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrVnm66joQk&playnext=1&list=PL1476240CD1A95E38 |
Don't have much Bebop nor do I know as much of that era of jazz as Hard Bop. But I'll contribute. Click on the link... Bud Powell |
