The Beatles

God I am laughing so hard. It's 1965 me and boys are driving in my 1963 Plymouth Fury with a 383/dual quads/hooker headers/cheater slicks etc. Trying to score with some chicks. We are listening to WKBW in Buffalo NY the Animals It's My Life comes on; were hooting and hollering;life is good;what comes on next Paperback Writer; move on to WLS in Chicago;Get Off My Cloud is playing;life is good again; some Beatle Barf is next; change stations to Boston's WBZ the Kinks' All Day and All Night is playing; life is good again. Meet some girls at the local Mickey Ds; she asks "Don't you think the Beatles are boss". God am I good at lying through my teeth to get what I want. As the Big Booper once said.... You know what I need!!!!!!

oops. Bopper....hell I cannot even spell Schubert right my hero. Speaking of A. Bruckner,if you do not understand Schubert than you will not understand Bruckner;its that simple; Bruckner was never a disciple of Wagner although at first blush you might think so; but Anton is following Schubert's musical structures as well as Beethoven's. It is his orchestrations that are more Wagner's ie large number of of players,etc.

Jademo, The London school of British imports were a much different breed from the Liverpool boys. They were going to make it in spite of the trash from the beatles. In fact the Beatles set back rock 10 years. Listen any American garage band worth their salt emulated the Animals, Rolling Stones or Yardbirds, that's why bad boys always get the chicks!! Is it not the reason for rock and roll, hey, do you know what rock and roll is slang for?????

Yes it is blatant trolling;I am the slime that lurks at the bottom; ; so what is it to you??? I still believe in what I say. The Beatles were what they were;nothing more but much less than what you think.

Tubegroover, Bruckner DID worship Wagner and even dedicated a symphony to him but did he emulate him musically??? Not really; even if thought he himself did; time suggests that he did not and really followed in line more with Beethoven/Schubert; his diatonic structure really suggests a more classical/early romantic form.

I was on vacation for two weeks without my computer;so no audiogon. I thought I would check back to see if there was anything worth responding. Cornfedboy: that was a funny, funny post;loved it. To the point: I took about 20 of my Beatles' CDs along on vacation, listened very carefully. I wanted so much to "get it". There were fun songs, sad songs, even meaningful songs. But in the end they do absolutely nothing for me except bring back fading memories from my youth. By the way, the 1963 Plymouth was not mine but my brother's friend(and it did have all that I stated and more;my car was a 1968 Dodge Charger R/T with the right bells and whistles). OK so what; we all had AM radios with tiny 3" speakers listening to music to pass the time away on those hot summer nights. So what if the Rolling Stones or the Animals got us out of the boredom more than the Beatles. Hey what songs of the Summer of '66 do you relate to? Does anybody remember any of the great garage band songs like Psychotic Reaction by the Count Five or Dirty Water by the Standells. Remember Hey Little Girl by Syndicate of Sound? Does anybody remember(or care) Mitch Rider and the Detroit Wheels? The Garage Bands of America emulated either the Rolling Stones Animals or Yardbirds. Why:easy to play, aways fun, throwaway songs, always about bravado, getting the girl, lamenting her loss, etc. laughable stuff, always a good guitar(or organ)hook, and cynical or world weary vocals(even though they were probably still in their teens/early twenties). OK, let my go out on a long thin limb again and say that the greatest teenage angst song of the 60s was "Gloria" written by Van Morrison and played by every bar band, high school rock band, and covered by the Doors and Jimi Hendrix(guitar fireworks). Besides if you wanted serious rock/popular music then try listening to Bob Dylan.

Tubegroover: Speaking of car radios; have you ever had the opportunity to listen to a tubed one from the 50s/early 60s with reverb? Try it sometime. You will never go back to solid state car stereo again. Elvis never sounded better.

Jademo: So what's your point?? We were never discussing the virtues of the Chicago blues or its influence on rock music of the 60s. The thread was about the Beatles and their influence Were you around then or what? Do you think the Beatles were the driving force in your musical life? I stated in this thread: no they were not and I stated who and why. I was crucified for my heresy but that's ok. If you wanted to talk about great guitar bands or legends ,there was a previous thread on the subject.

Tomryan: a few observations: how many times do you hear the Beatles on classic rock radio stations, virtually zero;how many times do you hear them on oldies stations, only the very early stuff;how many times would you expect to hear them on college or classical music stations absolutely zero. If they truly transcend all other musical artists of this era, then why are they not played more often. My children look back on the era and to them it is all throwaway music, boomer music they like to call it. "It's nice Mom but have you heard....." anything to irritate the crap out of me. Hey isn't that the very definition of rock and roll, anything musical that irritates the parents gotta be rockroll music. So in the end did the Beatles irritate your parents or did they embrace them, my parents thought they were cute, that ended it for me. Classic rock stations play Led Zeppelin...over..and...over...over(and my parents still hate them), does that mean Led Zeppelin transcends the Beatles at least rock and rollwise.ha ha ha

KThomas, it was a joke both about poor ol' Led Zep and about the radio stations. Still NOBODY has explained how they transcended everybody else. If my joke on radio stations is invalid then your take on selling agillion albums is also invalid because the only people that bought the album are aging boomers. My kids and their friends,who are a very perceptive lot I might add, don't give a damn one way or another. It's only oldtimers' music. As far as influence is concerned, in the 80s and 90s ,(besides TV commercials) who did they possibly influence: Madonna? Prince? M.Jackson? InSync? B.Spears? But did they influence REM? or Nirvana? U2? Since everybody likes to pontificate, tell me what specifically makes them transcend everybody else and influence others. Maybe I don't understand because I live in a different musical universe than you. Hell in some other musical universes' Hank Williams Sr is god who transcends over everything.

KThomas..we are both right...our musical universes are (and those that crucfied me) are just totally different. I guess I am now satisfied. Enough from me for awhile.

Treyhoss, they were my wife's. I did not marry her for her musical tastes nor she for mine. As for musical growth that
is always someone's interpretation. I will gleefully give the Beatles' the title of kings of pop music and pop culture. They probably were responsible for getting pop
music out its doldrums from FValli, et al. In the context
of pop music they expanded the horizons beyond what people
expected of pop music and pop culture, but did they expand
my horizons of what I thought music should be? The answer
is that I looked elsewhere. GThomas and I agree that our worlds are different, so be it. Your worldview and mine
are just different that's all. I learned that from this
thread which to me was a thrill....really!!!!