Tariffs and sky high audio prices.

I lived for ten years in New Hampshire, part of New England region. Different people there, just as everywhere else. But, in some places and circles they do maintain the original spirit and traditions of the first settlers. I may not agree with everything but they have my respect. I didn't like Boston 'aristocratic' snobs, though.

Original spirit of America is independence. Instead we more and more have the opposite. Independence is worth paying for, including with dollars.

And I have a message for the Australian mate. You people sell yourselves to Chinese big time, you treat asylum seekers like animals and this is not your land anyway - that land belongs to Aborigines. Change or get out.

Nonoise, I just enjoy your colorful and articulate language.
Problem is that in my impression most participants, whatever their political inclinations, don't care about anything but significant selves and their wallets. First there came pilgrims pioneers and other real people, then Yankee descended and methodically have been transforming the way this place functions. We have the result of that. It is not New World any more, it is the old one in a new land. If you want an example of repetition you have it.
I suggest America threaten Canada with nuclear hit to get a better trade deal. We are being robbed by everyone. 

Nonoise, it's a good way to put it.
So many Chinese people died in the war too. Japanese were savage, maybe at times much worse than Nazi. Now they are kind of nice making excellent steel and transistors and transformers and enjoying American jazz. I think, America should watch them all, there might be a repetition that must be prevented. Europe is quite turbulent at present.
Maybe "awkward silence" is not a bad sign, maybe what we are saying gives them a thinking regardless of what they might post next.

nonoise, you are right.
There is that seduction of the evil, some are very responsive to it.
My relative died fighting them in Europe.

Speaking of fascists, there was a 75th Anniversary of allied forces landing in Normandy two days ago. That was a bloody and decisive campaign.
Any WWII veterans among us ? 

We could exchange those people for Chinese tubes. But no, I would not be using those tubes, I would throw them away.

Yeah.
Another point regarding Chinese that was almost untouched in this thread is that there are so many Chinese students in American universities. They pay full price, spend a lot on living, most go back to China with the knowledge how to compete. And some stay here to steal the technology. Of course, there are also true refugees and just normal people who can't tolerate that regime.
But all this is not only American problems. Look at the UK and France and even Australia. 
What will happen if Chinese learn before the West how to control the environment ? This would become the ultimate tool. Big part of the destruction of Amazonian forest is because of the Chinese buying up everything. And in return they give us what ? S***, that's what.

And with the climate change food is going to be more expensive unless major changes are made. On the other hand, so many people I heard of eat way too much, much more than they need. Besides other consequences, they spend a lot on food, probably three or four times more than I do, and then they think that $100 for a record is outrageous. 
So..I think we have the right to know where the parts for audio components we buy come from, conditions under which they are manufactured, standards, projected longevity etc. Then each one would make an informed decision for himself. If something is assembled in the US from mostly non-US parts it is not made in US item even if the company is US registered. If a critical part like tube or transistor is not American this is not exactly American equipment even if all the other parts are. This country became incredibly dependent on the others, both for import and export, and I think it is no go. Self sufficiency is more important than rampant consumerism.

Lamm and Allnic use NOS tubes, by the way, so I choose them.

A lot of people reading this thread but only a few participate. Just like in reality - one does useful work and at least ten more live on it. And the one who works doesn't even get the biggest share.
Anyway, tariffs are nothing, try to get guaranteed authentic Persian carpet. In New York City yes you can, a hell of a lot of money, but you can. I had to put this idea on hold until better times. Damn, it would look great on the wall between speakers and I bet it would improve the sound. Go for authentic no matter the cost and effort. And that is not Chinese electronics parts and tubes. They got authentic stuff but that's another matter. That's one reason why I am not interested in brands like VAC, Atma-Sphere, many speaker brands. First deliver quality and support your own people. I am sorry if more Chinese would be hungry, there are millions of Americans, including children, who are hungry. In reality of many this country is getting less and less fair and more and more poor. Think about it.

Just yesterday the speaker of the house said that she would like to see the current president in prison but not impeached. Strong statement. She is one of the most experienced and successful politicians in the country. Words or actions ?

So, some words are mere words while others are more than that and almost actions. Can be difficult to differentiate, and who would have the right to do it ?

If you consider words actions then yes, if not - anyone can say anything, Nazi or not.

What if they only look like men ? Appearance can be deceptive.

They prefer prostitution to constitution. That's the way of doing things. 

It certainly is a gift but I think it is also a way to connect to "The Spirit".

Black people made enormous contribution as well. Chinese music is something that I virtually have no idea of, but we should put tariffs on it , anyway.

And of course another foundation is Persian musical tradition.

That means, papa, that he cannot comprehend music. All the Western music is rooted in the sounds of Torah.

Trump has only one flaw - he is not Jewish.

Have faith, throw away that Chinese, European and American transistor junk and get NOS tubes with equipment to match. Renounce digital too, it has no real value and leads in the wrong direction. In other words, do something more than babbling on Audiogon.

I don't anticipate an awakening. Do you ?

This administration was elected by 60 million Americans. What does it tell about them ? And it is not worse than Clinton cartel. 
I asked about free Taiwan, anyone knows anything about them in relation to audio ?

Taiwan. I heard indistinct noises that Purist Audio conductors are made there. Good stuff. Taiwan is a very different place. Do they also make tubes and other parts? They are very high-tech.

I am trying to influence the moderator, stay quiet and don't interfere, leave it to me.

Madame moderator,
Would you please cancel this senseless discussion ?

It is related to Audio, we are making noises especially gh with his dilettante lecturing. 

Frank, they will delete this thread if we go into the details of power distribution and political structures. What you quoted regarding power was already known to African Homo Sapience hundreds of thousands years ago.

They are not our leaders, they manage corporation America the way they see fit, and they almost own it.
I heard educated rumors that Facebook has a very tight link to CIA/NSA.   

As Haredim might say we are all miracle of Creation. They are probably right.

I, however, do understand why my post about Chinese Square was deleted.
I have always ignored Facebook/Twitter and intend to keep it that way.

Isn't it obvious why the prices are high and getting higher, Chinese tariffs or not ? Tariffs on European products are in the making too, as I understand. Besides steel. Corruption is the norm, lack of it should be punished and it is punished. 

ghasley, it is much more than that. 

Pay taxes, pay tariffs, pay fees, do whatever it takes to give away what you earn.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/05/irish-funeral-firm-rents-out-four-limousines-to-trump-for-1m

Even without any financial engineering they know how to do things. Just recently monthly fees for maintaining business account jumped from $15 to $25 per month without any explanation or extra service. That's Citi Bank. They probably got millions of accounts like that. Chinese tariffs ? Other banks are doing funny things too, there is no competition. And I was thinking about buying some Chinese tubes and a few capacitors. Now I can't afford them. You see what's happening ?

You don't have to buy cables and capacitors, unlike some other things.
Financial engineering. Bloody parasites.

They talk about better ways of robbing people and covering it up.
Saddam who, by the way ?

I simply seek peaceful co-existence with the other human civilization on this planet. I want or need absolutely nothing from it, except the situation with the environment. This both civilizations do share and got to address it together. And if they refuse...

Anyway, are you going to buy equipment full of Chinese parts or not ? Or it depends, including on quality and price ? Mining practices, forced labor, abuses etc., remember ? Yes, you will. Chinese know it, they are clever, and they are cleverer. They also think centuries and millennia not short or even long term goals.  

Chinese will get us a free head replacement in no time. With Chinese heads. Then we will see things as they should be seen. And they know that no one is going to repay those debts, not a problem, they use money as a weapon and as a tool to absorb everything there is to absorb. So no, they are not enemies, they are a competing civilization. Imperial China is forever.

To get to know your 'enemy' inviting him for 'dinner' is an excellent idea even if a little risky.

Yeah, we better not go too far or the moderator will cancel this thread in no time. I'll just say that they are not our enemy unless we make them so.
If we go into fair and unfair and how it all comes into being it will become increasingly interesting and unflattering to anyone on all sides of all oceans at all times.

If Chinese seriously restrict export of rare earth elements to the US, directly and indirectly, prices certainly will go up because of that too.
Tariffs and other interesting moves are also economical - ordinary people will have to pay more. One does not have to buy high end audio but everyone, well almost, buys phones computers and other stuff. Brave new world is not only going to be quite a mess it is going to be more expensive as well.
Good luck, brothers.