Talk but not walk?


Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


128x128michaelgreenaudio

"Whoa! What? Huh?"

Better get out at least a rain coat, wouldn’t you say Geoff?

A storm over a guy who worked for me for 9 months back in the 90’s?

Mods, I hate to bug you but you might want to keep an eye on this one. If some can’t keep it civil please delete them. Anger has no place on these threads and forums. Thanks for your diligence in keeping these threads friendly.

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net

I’m not a chance taker. I got my hip waders and raincoat ready. 
I'm enjoying listening to my tunable system from Michael. That's the short and sweet of it, and a reminder to those who are getting so angry that they don't need to be. 
^^^^ Yet another in a long string of "why you mad, bruh?" posts, that simply ascribe a negative emotion or motivation to someone, while claiming "why not be cheery like me?" rather than address the issues under debate. (There is a frankly eerie consistency in the method of passive-aggressive discourse among MG and his followers).

I just went for a wonderful walk in our neighbourhood with my son, and returned to listen happily to some Curtis Mayfield on vinyl.

Well then, I guess these cheery facts mean I don’t have to address the content of anyone’s argument - including anyone raising skeptical questions about my claims.  

That’s convenient!

BTW, I felt no need at all to re-tune my system per song or album. It sounds quite wonderful and satisfying to me on almost everything I listen to.

I guess we who are extremely happy with our systems have moved "beyond tuning" to a state of satisfaction that tuners haven’t arrived at. (Because they feel the need to keep changing the sound of their system to make different recordings sound the way they want).

Perhaps Tuners will get there someday.




Drewster88

Hallelujah and Amen to that brother! Bring on the tunes. Let us have church in this house.

and Prof, just saw your post

Couldn't be happier for you. Have a great day with your son and music!