Talk but not walk?


Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


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mapman,

Why do you bother? The guy may actually be photonically-superior to the rest of us. He does come across as being out of this world and a few more things. What the heck, he has been worth having here if only for this last poem. Could you pull that off? I thought so. Neither could prof, Michael Green, cd318, uberwaltz, or I. So give guy the credit. Except that he would be better appreciated in some other entertainment venue. This is a very narrow-minded crowd.
mapman,

Why do you bother?

I have a soft spot for GK. You should hear him pine for me when I don’t post. "Where is moopman"?  Very sad. Poor guy!

“As the millennium turns, science seems in many ways to be treading the weary path of the religions it presumed to replace. Where free, dispassionate inquiry once reigned, emotions now run high in the defense of a fundamentalized "scientific truth." As anomalies mount up beneath a sea of denial, defenders of the Faith and the Kingdom cling with increasing self-righteousness to the hull of a sinking paradigm. Faced with provocative evidence of things undreamt of in their philosophy, many otherwise mature scientists revert to a kind of skeptical infantilism characterized by blind faith in the absoluteness of the familiar. Small wonder, then, that so many promising fields of inquiry remain shrouded in superstition, ignorance, denial, disinformation, taboo . . . and debunkery.

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mapman,

I had a few posts here and there before this thread, but it had been a relatively tamed experience. I mean, people would argue, but stayed within some logical and behavioral confines. I could follow their thoughts regardless of my different view. Is the new turntable better deal than upgraded old one and such. This thread was a bit different. Now, when the bulk is over, I can loosen up my words. I am curious how your fan GK interacts when not at the safe distance of the Internet chat forum. Is his tone the same, or he adjusts to the actual possibility of stepping on someone's toes a bit too hard while being at the arms length? I have nothing against him, I am thankful for this entertainment he provides for free, but am wondering if the personality he exhibits in the forum goes that well in real encounters.
I'm absolutely shocked that Tuner bill333 would enthusiastically endorse
goeffkait's anti-science rant!

;-)