T + A streamers. I need help.


I’m using T + A native app Music Navigator G2 for interface with my T + A streamer. It’s a clunker. Have used Cambridge, HIfiRose and Cary streamers apps, Cambridge and HIFI Rose apps give a much more user experience. I know there are high quality streamers with awesome software out there.  I bought T + A streamers knowing the company, sound and build quality. And that has worked out well. No regrets buying it. Keeper. But i did not do my due diligence on the app interface. What am I not seeing or missing. What are other T + A streamers using to get the best user experience.

I’d like to change it up, but need help figuring which direction to go. Is ROON, which my streamer is compatible with, the only option I have?  For those knowledgable with ROON, what’s the upside and down side of using it. Hardware? Software?

goldenways

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Another vote for Roon. Some people claim they hear a downgrade in quality when using Roon, I have not experienced that myself. And I don't see why or how that would be the case.

The Roon team is incredibly knowledgeable and focused on delivering a pristine signal with dedicated audio gear. Meanwhile a lot of other factory playback solutions simply use existing network protocol like UPnP or DLNA. Those were never intended for high end audio so why would they sound better? I think some people are naturally inclined to assume the smoother, better looking experience must somehow come at a price. I disagree though. 

@mgrif104 Sorry to frustrate, that was certainly not my intent. And the last thing I want to do is argue about audio opinions. I just notice a lot of people parrot what they have read on forums about Roon not sounding as good, but when I have a direct chat with them it turns out many haven't even tried it, or tried it once many years ago and are still stuck on that opinion.

For myself, I have definitely compared many platforms and found Roon to sound best, in my system of course which is the only one I can really speak on. But among the circle of fellow Auralic users I chat with, the vast majority seems to agree. The general consensus (not unanimous) is that Lightning DS makes the music more edgy, lit up, with a focus on detail, while using Roon is more natural, relaxed, organic. Which one is "better" will always depend on your preferences and system. 

I agree that Roon does have some variability, but also feel that is mainly solved now by the fact that you can just use the official Roon Nucleus devices and get on the same page as what the Roon devs intended. Or, you can at least use the Nucleus as a yardstick by which to spec out your own hardware so it matches or surpasses those capabilities. Meanwhile Roon's certification process, as frustratingly slow as it sometimes is, exists to guarantee that each component plays nicely with their software and keeps everything in spec. So there really isn't as much variability issues as there maybe was some years ago.

Are there instances where I might choose something else over Roon? Of course, depending on the hardware involved. But my experience is that most often Roon sounds more natural to me than the others, and I again feel like it gets a bad rap for being so slick in terms of features and user interface. When so many people throw out the whole "everyone knows" mentality about how Roon is always inferior, I feel it dissuades people who should really give it a shot. They might prefer it as many of us do, and it's free to try so why not?

@mclinnguy 

You have definitely chosen words that put a positive spin towards Roon.

Well yes, because that's the signature I enjoy best. Just like your words about PGGB are positive.

A good buddy thinks I'm nuts and that Lightning DS (playing from the same Auralic Aries G2.2 streamer like I have) is worlds better, with much more detail and resolution. So as your analogy goes, Mullard vs Amperex vs Telefunken and so on. 

I think we're mostly on the same page in the end, even if we differ on our chosen platform for best SQ. I definitely think it's worth trying everything your particular streamer can support, whether that is Roon, JPLAY, Euphony, Lightning DS, JRiver, Tidal Connect, Audirvana, a simple UPnP control app, even AirPlay. Try them all and see what gets you the best combination of sound quality and ease of use. I even know some people who use two - one they like most for everyday listening, and one during serious critical listening where maybe the interface is not great but the SQ is top notch. My only point is that for some people, Roon may actually be the best sounding as well as a great UI. 

@goldenways Maybe I missed it but can you clarify if you are playing locally stored files or streaming from a service like Qobuz or Tidal?