I suspect that some form of Aromatherapy would be required in order to truly recreate a live musical performance @ home.
Did anyone see John Waters "Hairspray" in the 80's?
DeKay
System that sounds so real it is easy to mistaken it is not live
My current stereo system consists of Oracle turntable with SME IV tonearm, Dynavector XV cartridge feeding Manley Steelhead and two Snappers monoblocks running 15" Tannoy Super Gold Monitors. Half of vinyl records are 45 RMP and were purchased new from Blue Note, AP, MoFI, IMPEX and some others. While some records play better than others none of them make my system sound as good as a live band I happened to see yesterday right on a street. The musicians played at the front of outdoor restaurant. There was a bass guitar, a drummer, a keyboard and a singer. The electric bass guitar was connected to some portable floor speaker and drums were not amplified. The sound of this live music, the sharpness and punch of it, the sound of real drums, the cymbals, the deepness, thunder-like sound of bass guitar coming from probably $500 dollars speaker was simply mind blowing. There is a lot of audiophile gear out there. Some sound better than others. Have you ever listened to a stereo system that produced a sound that would make you believe it was a real live music or live band performance at front of you?
Yes this can be done, I have done it. It took many years to find the secret. I’m good friends with a well known rock band and as so I get requested to see their performance often. At one of these gigs the band sounded incredible, twinkling highs and thunderous bass, above average. So I made my way to the sound engineer and he introduced me to the DBX drive rack. A standard looking peace of equipment that can correct music output for any environment. So l took a chance on it, it is pro equipment so there was a big learning curve and it’s built with XLR connections only. After a few weeks of learning and tweaking, great results the DBX can filter and adjust anything you throw at it (room acoustics, sound nodes etc.) great for people that don’t want to cover there room with acoustic treatments and have to keep the wife happy. One of my inherent problems was speaker placement, one is next to a side wall and one not, so l always had a speaker with wall induced sound reinforcement. With the DBX I can correct each speaker separately so that problem solved. It works with a microphone and can store as many programs as you want. I set mine as the perfect concert hall, and love it. It also doesn’t hurt that I’m running four 15” woofers and a total of 3800 watts. But that’s what it took to get live venue sound like the pros do it. One last thing only buy gold plated connectors or you will develop a hum when the tin connections gets tarnished. Best of luck in your pursuit of great sound and don’t forget it’s about the music enjoyment not the sound. |
P.S. I forgot to mention that I do not run cross overs. The DBX has its own digital fully adjustable. You just need one amp channel for each speaker, so I run a 200 watt AB amp to the tweeters, 300 watt AB to the mids and 3000 watt class D to the subs in a open baffle configuration. DIY inspired by Jamo 909s. |
Mijo, This is perhaps not the place to discuss it, for fear of boring a few others, but I have been there, done that, when it comes to audio transformers for the SL speakers. First, a single transformer with a 1:100 step-up ratio does not cut the mustard for good bass response from the panel. Of course, since you are subwoofer supplementing, perhaps you could get away with some compromise, but so far as we have been able to find out, the bass transformer on our speakers is 1:250, or something close to that range. (SL will not divulge the information.) And you do not want a full-range trans with such a high step-up ratio, because that will produce very low input impedance as frequency goes up. (Remember that an ESL is naught but a giant capacitor.) For the full-range transformer in my speakers, which I couple with the OEM SL bass transformer at low frequencies, I use a 1:90 ratio in a very hefty step=up that was made in Australia. Unfortunately, that model is discontinued but the same company may make a suitable substitute. Anyway, I tried driving my SLs with the Australian transformer full range without any bass transformer, and the bass to low mid-range was very anemic, totally unacceptable in fact. So, there’s a reason that SL uses two transformers to achieve a robust full range response. I use a single huge air core inductor to roll off the OEM SL bass transformer somewhere in the low midrange, in parallel with the 1:90 Australian transformer running full range with no RC network at all. In theory, you’d think that might present problems. In fact, the first time I heard it in my home, it brought a tear of happiness to my eye. If I were to do this today, and if the Australian company don’t have a suitable substitute for the discontinued units I use, I would consider the full-range 1:75 toroidal transformer made by Plitron. A small benefit of that unit would be slightly higher impedance at high frequencies, compared to what I’ve got. But you are way too concerned about the Z at high frequencies, in my opinion. You once mentioned that you boost response by 6db per octave above 12kHz. That probably contributes to heating up your crossover. But more than a decade ago, some SL users found that the higher the power rating of the R in the treble RC network, the better was the sound. Guys were using humongous resistors that did not even fit into the backplate. (I was one of them.) But real happiness is no RC network at all. |
@5windowcoupe Tin and gold share a property which is they boh are resistant to corrosion! This is why tin is often used in connectors and the like. If your tin connections are getting corroded, you've got some kind of chemical involved that is responsible or the connectors are so worn that the copper beneath has been exposed. Tin is often preferable to gold since it is so much harder and therefore harder to wear off when the connector is plugged in and out. |