Sabai, I do not see them on the home page. |
Knghifi, I also think 3 sets is enough. Perhaps later I may try additional HFT's elsewhere in my room. But sticking Blu Tack to my speakers had better be a big improvement, which to me it wasn't.
Now I'm wondering about the XOT items that go into your speaker terminals...Anybody try them? |
Joeyboyni,
I have quite a few Acoustic Science tube traps in my room with the HFT/FEQ/XOT's.
Do you think I should take out the Tube Traps? |
What the heck is a HFT or FEQ ? |
Sgordon1, Thanks, for sharing your experience with the XOT's.
David, Look forward to your opinion also on the XOT's.
What I recently found was placing an Audio Magic PEA stuck to the back of the speaker cabinet just over the crossover really made a significant improvement in sound quality of each speaker. |
Joeyboyni,
I have quite a few Acoustic Science tube traps in my room with the HFT/FEQ/XOT's.
Do you think I should take out the Tube Traps? |
The cost for these little gizmos seems outrageous considering how light weight they are. And based on past SR history they will soon be replaced with a mark 2 version.
But, I have 2 sets on loan and they do seem to expand the soundstage. However, sometimes I think the sound doesn't sound quite right. I just can't quite get a handle on it.
I did find that placing them slightly higher is better in my room than the lower height shown in the directions. And I think for my usage, 3 sets would seem about right.
So, I am still in the undecided testing stage. |
Well, I guess I am giving it them a thumbs up.
I went ahead and purchased 3 sets. The 3rd set will arrive later this week.
How the heck these little items actually do something is a real mystery to me. But once you try them, your gonna keep them. Just don't tell the wife how much they cost each... |
Well, I guess I am giving them a thumbs up.
I went ahead and purchased 3 sets. The 3rd set will arrive later this week.
How the heck these little items actually do something is a real mystery to me. But once you try them, your gonna keep them. Just don't tell the wife how much they cost each... |
David,
I now have had the chance to try 5 sets of the HFT's. I definitely will keep 3 sets.
But, the additional 2 sets are supposed to be placed on the speakers and on digital equipment.
To be honest, I really didn't think there was enough additional improvement to warrant buying the additional sets based on that placement.
Before I send the other 2 sets back is there somewhere else I should try to place them ? |
David, Thanks, that's exactly what I am doing. I should have the FEQ later this week.
I must confess that I have found the little HFT's to be quite powerful.
When I read the instructions on Level 3 I thought the additional HFT's were to go in between the corner HFT and the centered HFT. After rereading the instructions it says to place the additional HFT's between the centered HFT and the speakers. When I moved them, bam! The center image became rock solid and the 3D sound was all dialed in.
Now I'm hooked.
Looking forward to placing the FEQ.
Question:
I have 3 dedicated circuits with a Power Plant P10 powering the digital on one. My analog is on another and the subs are on another. I know one of the FEQ plugs will go into the Power Plant P-10. But what about the ground plug?
I would prefer it to go straight into a wall outlet. Does it matter which dedicated line I choose? |
David, Just received the FEQ. I placed it in the center on the floor behind my rack on top of 3 Mig's that I had and not being used.
First hour of listening, I am greatly impressed. So, you say it takes a few days to break in? I wonder why? |
Has anyone tried the Synergistic Research XOT's? |
David, Did you get the XOT's ? |
I have my FEQ on top of some MIG's and I just placed an Audio Magic PEA on top of the FEQ.
The PEA adds even more slam to the FEQ. |
Man posting on Audiogon seems to be days behind.
Anyway, David I have 4 of the PEA's. One is inside my PS Audio P10 that powers my digital and home theater equipment. Then, I have 2 of them placed on the back of my speakers over the crossovers. And the last one is sitting atop of the SR FEQ. |
Well, I just received the XOT's. I have two sets due to biwiring. I only have a couple of hours with them but already I can tell a change in the soundstage. The music is really out into the room. Not forward just all over the room. Singers sound larger and more centered and seemingly involved in the music.
Now, I used to own a lot of Synergistic Top of the line products. I got irritated and sold off my cabling and conditioners due to the constant upgrading of the equipment making my current models obsolete and worth much less. Not to mention all of the extra wires needed with the "active shielding".
After I sold them off I swore I would not get anymore Synergistic products.
Well I started back with the trial of the HFT's and I was hooked once again. I've got to give them credit for being so innovative.
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Sgordon1 , are you putting the copper sleeves over the XOT's or over the banana/spade connections? |
Yoby,
I am using pure solid core 99999 silver soft annealed bi-wired speaker cables.
On my speaker crossovers I have installed the WA quantum speaker chips, over them I have the Audio Magic PEA.
Near the end of the speaker cables I have the Audio Magic Speaker clarifiers. And then finally the Synergistic XOT's.
Each was installed seperatly with the XOT's added last.
With the SR HFT's and the FEQ unit, I have now the BEST sound I have ever heard!
Soundstage is huge, deep, the bass is really deep and well defined. There is such a lifelike image that I swear it can't get any better!
Somewhere down the line I will try removing some of the tweaks to determine just how much each one is contributing to the glorious sound. |
Removing the Tube traps to "try" will be a pain.
I was hoping that you had experience using the HFT's without any other room treatments. |
I just received 15 of the Audio Magic "Bells".
Compared to the Synergistic Research HFT's these are much better. Better with deeper, wider soundstage. And the bass seems to be clearer and stronger.
So, with the 15 Synergistic Research HFT's I have I am using them as placement Four & Five and a few other places.
Oh yeah and the Bells are much less expensive than the HFT's. |
I just made some home made HFT/Bells. These costs a couple of bucks and they sound better than the SR version.
If you look at my system picture you can see my copper version. The SR is in the center of the picture and it is slightly larger. |
Audiotunesx, Thank you ! They look even better in person.
Sound wise they are as good or better than the SR units. I think its because copper has better tonal qualities. The SR units appear to me to be there tuning units used in there active shielding and are cut in half.
The Audio Magic bells are not posted on the web site yet. But, they are listed on Audiogon. Do a search for AudioMagic.
Question:
Are you saying that your friend is using dampening material on the PS Audio P10? If so, I have found that Herbies makes a DB heavy pad that can stick to the cover very well. I use them now on several pieces.
Also, what is so special about the SR Red fuses? |
Placement of these little devices can change the tonal qualities. If you place them too high they do seem to accent more of the higher frequencies.
Except for a few places in the room, the majority of mine are placed either at speaker height or near the floor level at the middle and behind subs and speakers.
I also have many placed on equipment. The speaker placement was ok and on most of my digital equipment there is an improvement. But, not so good on other equipment such as Amp or Preamp.
I now have 15 of the SR, 15 of the Audio Magic, and about 30 of my DIY versions.
I would rate the Audio Magic the best, with my DIY versions second and then the SR's. Again, I think it is because of the copper. |
Sabai, Not yet.
Better still I'll explain how I made them.
I'm using 1/8"copper pipe caps with a copper cone inserted inside. I bought the cones from a fishing lure company. It has the right tapering and the right opening inside.
Now, Audio Magic uses a crystal inside the cone, mine does not. But, I might experiment further. |
For all you DIY's. I have received many emails to make these items. They are quite simple to make.
I used 1/8" copper caps with a large copper cone from a company called "Hareline" inside. Hareline makes items for fishing lures and can be bought from Amazon.
The caps however, will need to be purchased from a plumbing house. Then just simply glue the cone inside the cap. The cone is a direct drop in. I used Elmer's school glue to seal the cone inside the cap.
Audio Magic also places a crystal in the middle of there "Bells". I suppose you could use (Blu Tack)to hold a crystal in the cap before gluing the cone in it.
Personally I don't think its necessary.
When you place the cones (I used blue tack) on the wall or the equipment, place them in the middle first with one at the height of your speaker, then near the floor and perhaps one up high. If you go to high with them it may accent the higher frequencies. But do experiment.
The others were placed at the first and second reflection points on the side walls.
At the wall behind you, I placed them again in the middle, at floor level, mid and high.
Then from there you can experiment through your room and equipment. Some places they worked good and some not so good.
I must add that I also own the SR FEQ unit which is supposed to excite these things. |
I think I have about 30.
Yes, I have 4 on each speaker. And then 4 on all sides of my Dac and Player. I also placed 4 each on the bottoms of the those same components.
But, I also have the HFT's and the Audio Magic Bells.
On my walls I have 3 on each side wall placed at first reflection points and in between.
I have many on the front and back walls. They seem to work best on the front and back placed within the speakers.
I also have them placed on the backs of my JL F113 subs and on the wall behind them. |
Sabai,
The HFT's are the Synergistic units. I have those mixed throughout with the others.
I think after the walls the best place is on Digital equipment.
I also will have a few packs of the SR ECT's to place inside my digital gear.
I would liked to have tried my DIY inside but they are copper and very conductive. |
Sabai, To me my DIYers are the best. Followed by the Bells and then Synergistic.
But I own all three so I use all three. |
Goetzfam, I think adding a crystal to the finished product would block the horn like shape.
Perhaps if I build more I'll put a crystal in before I insert the cone into the cap. |
Goetzfam, I think adding a crystal to the finished product would block the horn like shape.
Perhaps if I build more I'll put a crystal in before I insert the cone into the cap. |
Try placing them also on your speakers and equipment on all for sides. With speakers you can even place one on the top. ozzy |
richardk, I posted this in about the middle of this thread. "For all you DIY's. I have received many emails to make these items. They are quite simple to make.
I used 1/8" copper caps with a large copper cone from a company called "Hareline" inside. Hareline makes items for fishing lures and can be bought from Amazon.
The caps however, will need to be purchased from a plumbing house. Then just simply glue the cone inside the cap. The cone is a direct drop in. I used Elmer's school glue to seal the cone inside the cap.
Audio Magic also places a crystal in the middle of there "Bells". I suppose you could use (Blu Tack)to hold a crystal in the cap before gluing the cone in it.
Personally I don't think its necessary.
When you place the cones (I used blue tack) on the wall or the equipment, place them in the middle first with one at the height of your speaker, then near the floor and perhaps one up high. If you go to high with them it may accent the higher frequencies. But do experiment.
The others were placed at the first and second reflection points on the side walls.
At the wall behind you, I placed them again in the middle, at floor level, mid and high.
Then from there you can experiment through your room and equipment. Some places they worked good and some not so good.
I must add that I also own the SR FEQ unit which is supposed to excite these things." ozzy |
