Subwoofer between speakers?


After reading through a thread relating to the equipment rack between speakers, I assume that the sub between the speakers is also a no-no?

My speaker stands are 24.5" high, and my sub is 24" high, so I was thinking that the sub cabinet being below the mid-range driver might mitigate the detrimental effects to imaging. But I read a reply in the thread that I alluded to which talked about an amp between the speakers having a negative effect on imaging . . . therefore it stands to reason that a big bulky sub cabinet would be about 20 times worse.

I know that ideally I should experiment with placement . . . this is an extreme near-field listening room, and options are limited. I could get it to the outside of my right channel speaker . . . in theory, would that be better than in between?

immatthewj

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@whitefishpoint1175

so you went back to the sub & you like it?

When you say the "center in my room" do you mean between your speakers?

Anyway, glad to hear that worked out for you. I was still experimenting with placement of mine . . . and then . . . I started a house project that involved me shutting down the breakers for my system . . . and . . . the house project has lasted longer than I expected it to.

BUT, as I take a break, I am just about to finish the electrical portion, & when I turn the breakers on, if sparks don’t fly, I will be doing another audio/sub experiment this evening.

@ghdprentice

the two puppies are from the same litter and their DNA says (if it’s not a scam) that they are both 37% Boxer; the sister is 37% Pit Bull & her brother is 25% Bulldog & 12% Pit. They are the trouble makers. While I was watching the youtube you posted with headphones on, I looked down, & the female had the headphone cord in her mouth, & she looked up at me with those sweet soft eyes like, "You don’t mind if I chew this up, do you?" My wife picked those two. The one I had wanted to make the 500 mile round trip for was a five year old Beagle/Shepherd mix. In his picture the shelter had posted on their site, he had the biggest grin that won me over. He is one sweet mild mannered even tempered dog (with the most beautiful copper colored eyes), and I often say out loud, "Jack, if all my dogs acted like you, I would be a happy man."

Anyway . . . ramble on.

Thank you to all.

@ghdprentice

I am going to watch that youtube, but since I cannot get sound out of the speakers on my ten year old desk top and I lack the energy to dig out my head phones at the moment (fence building all day, www.hownottobuildawoodennprivacyfence.com) I am going to watch it tomorrow. Thank you, and I will watch it.

@whitefishpoint1175

sorry, I’m tired and something sarcastic struck me at that moment.

But I do not believe that a well treated room is going to happen for me in this life time, so I am trying to figure out how to make the most of what I do have & the options that are presently available to me.

Thanks again for all the helpful replies.

What I was intending to ask was not so much on how to maximize my sub's potential, but more along the lines of how not to have my sub's placement/physical presence have a negative effect on the imaging & sound staging of my speakers.

@ghdprentice  I still haven't watched the youtube yet (in a moment I am heading out into the garage on still another project) but I intend to watch it before I do some listening this evening.

@hilde45

my question was whether or not a subwoofer between speakers would have a negative effect on imaging & sound staging; if I am reading your answer correctly, you are saying it is room dependent.

 

@ghdprentice

I have some comments on the video, but I spent another tough day in the garage & I am awfully tired right now. Briefly I would say that while it was interesting, I think that home theater systems & music only systems have different desired effects from their subs. However, with that typed, I realize that the principles (localization, standing waves, etc.) are probably the same. I found the discussion of the subject to be complex, reminding me that I am not doing a good job of integrating into the 21st century. (Good thing I probably won’t have to deal with it a whole lot longer.)

One thing I was able to grasp a rudimentary understanding of is WHY two subs are important. And NOT for the reasons I previously would have thought--music or HT. A couple of other things I learned, my near field listening room is not sub suitable, and, my sub is probably obsolete. (It is a M&K I bought in ’94 after I was introduced to the wonders of Dolby Pro Logic. It was actually my first venture into ’better’ audio equipment.) I just did a 180 in my near field listening room, and although I like some aspects of the rearrangement better than before, I lost a lot of what I had been getting out of my sub. There are three or four other things I want to try with the speakers & the sub, but I am starting to think I may wind up removing it from the system.

My near field listening room has a couple advantages from the previous living room location . . .I enjoy the isolation from distractions, and after my beloved Rat Terrier died last year I over compensated for the loss by adopting THREE dogs, and two of them were Staffordshire Terrier (aka Pit Bull) puppies, and although at a year old they are turning out to strike me as rather lovable, I could throw them further than I trust them (& I couldn’t throw either one of those Tasmanian Devils very far at all), so the near field room it is. Depending upon who outlives who, I may or may not ever be back in the living room, which was far from an ideal room, but even with the distractions and lack of autonomy, I do find that I miss the flexibility.

Oh well, Ramble On. Thank you for posting that video; I enjoyed it, and I may refer back to it.