streaming and audiophile stereo


I have heard it said that an audio system is only as good as its weakest link. I want to complete a system that will give me access to lots of music by Tidal and Roon, and I want the music played through some true audiophile components.  I am used to tube preamps, and will probably go that way again, though ss remains a possibility.  The speakers I intend to use are very efficient - 20 watts of amplification would be ample.  Here's my question:  in such a system, how important, and how variable, are the audio qualities of the digital source component - the streamer - at the front end?  If it does MQA does that alone mean it is the highest quality audio possible at this end of the system?  Or do some that accommodate MQA provide better sound than others that also accommodate MQA?  I see lots of reviews of features of these components, but not much about their individual sonic qualities.  Leaving aside features and convenience, are some better sounding than others and would this depend entirely on the DAC used?

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@twilightround  - I'm in agreement with those who suggest a measured, simple approach. If you want to get the most out of Tidal, you have a couple of options. You don't mention your budget, so I won't suggest gear (I wouldn't, anyway; each situation is unique and you're the one and only determinant of what's good) - but my approach (after trying some integrated products) is to go with separates so that I have more choice; in your case I'd advise getting the best streamer (for you) and then find a DAC that fits your system and budget - and don't let "perfect" be the enemy of a system that you'll enjoy. I find that I don't really need a lot from the streamer, and I'd rather not be bound by a streamer/DAC combo - especially since DACs seem to be constantly improving (as is their price:performance ratio). I listen to Qobuz (AFAIK there's only one MQA file in all of Qobuz - but it sounds fine on my system) via Roon, and (even though I think Roon has only achieved about 65% of what they could do with their software) it feels like a seamless input.

About MQA (presented as an economic streaming alternative (some might say that it's no longer valid given current broadband, but maybe they're forgetting that the vast majority of the world can't afford or doesn't have access to it) as well as a way to support a type of authentication), the streamer doesn't necessarily have to play a part, as you can pass it straight through to your DAC. Unless you're experiencing negative symptoms (redundant?), I don't think there's a need to worry about extra devices beyond those two. I'd suggest that you avoid wifi/BT links unless absolutely necessary (and if you absolutely need BT, go for gear with the latest audio standards).

Work with companies that allow returns (30-60 day trials), and since you're partial to tubes you might want to run some DDG searches for tube-like DACs. And consider the qualities you like the most re: detail (and in what ranges), staging and warmth/musicality. 

Re: DAC/Preamp, the ideal would be that your system is able to work beautifully with the DAC's analog output. I like simplicity, so in my case I'd just try other DACs until I get a match (but I'm also using a SS system that has lots of flexibility, so that's much less of an issue for me).

Best of luck with this - and I hope it's the "luck" that brings even more out of your system.

@bill_peloquin I do not want to get a streamer with a DAC. I have a great one now. No need to pay for another DAC.

I’m with you, there. I’d long ignored streaming, for the most part (had an original Bluesound node but rarely used a streaming service; I used it for in-house streaming from a NAS). I got the latest Node and was disappointed, so I decided to look for a standalone (i.e. nothing but) streamer.

(note: I was in the process of trialing Tidal and Qobuz, and also didn’t like the BlueOS interface on my PC)

I found the Ifi Zen Stream (https://ifi-audio.com/products/zen-stream/) and haven’t considered anything else since. My goal was a streamer that worked well with Roon and Qobuz, and I’ve had no issues with it. I want to minimize any artifacts/colorizations in streamer and DAC, and this feels like it’s working.