i have a Node 2i connected to my Denafrips Ares2. highly recommended. would like to hear it via USB, the newer Node has a USB connection however.
Streamer Value Question Innous vs Bluesound
I had owned the basic Roon streamer.
I plan to use the Roon with Tidal service but not
the Roon hardware this time around.
I am now comparing the Innuos Zen Mini @ $1,250 v.s. the
Bluesound Vault 2i @ $1,295.
The better Innuos is about $4,400.
If you add the reclocker and linear power supply to
the Mini you are also getting closer to $4k.
Now here is my thought: Buy the Vault and plan to find
a DAC upgrade- currently I have an Oppo 205.
This will bring me the better SQ result overall I think.
What have others found?
First off, I have had DACs since the early nineties. That said when I first got into digital files I was playing them through my OPPO and a USB HDD through my NAD M51. That was a pain to make copies through my computer. Then I bought a Vault 2i. It totally changed the way I listened and stored music. It’s been three years and 3 DACs later and it sounds better with each DAC it’s connected to. Eventually I will have to replace the Vault , I am waiting for stand alone streamers to mature a little more . The Bluesound has been pretty close to flawless in my system. It’s a good user interface. You could do a lot worse than a Vault. |
The streamer and server, and even the network cables and switches all do matter. Will upgrading them make a considerable improvement to everyone? No. Why? It depends on the remainder of the chain and the individual’s listening ability. Equate the digital front end to a vinyl rig. Would one put a $5,000 moving coil cartridge on a $300 turntable and built-in phono stage? Likely not, as the delicate signal carried by the cartridge would be destroyed by resonances in the tonearm, rumble in the table, and poor tracking, all which introduces noise. And would one do so if the speakers and cables could not articulate the improvement? Doubtful. One poster suggested upgrading the streamer first and get a better DAC down the line. I would suggest otherwise, as the investment into a streamer / server will not be fully realized until you have a DAC that can truly support its performance. Last year, I was at this crossroads. I wanted a more natural sound to my digital front end. I had a PS Audio DirectStream DAC fed by a NAD M50.2 dedicated streamer (former Bluesound graduate here). I went on a big exploratory with Lampizator DACs, Mola Mola, etc. What ended up making the bigger difference? Replacing the NAD M50.2 with an Aurender N30SA. It almost made me give up vinyl. Turns out the DAC was able to produce the fidelity of the signal, and it was the source that was lacking. The streamer made a considerably bigger difference in sound than upgrading the DAC. I have since also moved onto a different DAC which equally improved the sound in as big of a jump, but it required an even larger investment. A few weeks ago, I demoed the difference between a PC playing Tidal through a good USB cable vs the Aurender playing Tidal with a USB cable. Both of the guys that were sitting for the demo dropped their jaws like someone slapped them in the face. The tonal balance, textural richness, and lack of fatigue in the Aurender is just astounding. Bits are not just bits. The Innuos is a good move and should resell more easily when you are ready to upgrade. Your 205 is capable of taking advantage of it, but if you much higher in the chain, I would also suggest you prepare yourself to also upgrade your DAC to reap the benefits. |
@oddiofyl your statement of “you could do a lot worse than Bluesound” is absolutely right. I think for the most part, Bluesound will get you farthest for the money. But it does have its performance limits which are much more audible on high resolution systems. Unfortunately the cost of entry to polished, premium quality streaming and serving is very very high. But I, as someone who used to prefer vinyl (and still do at times) I can honestly say that there are streamers and servers out there that can eclipse incredibly expensive, high-performing analog rigs, including the Grimm MU1, Pink Faun, Aurender N20, W20SE, or N30SA, and the Taiko Extreme. Despite Moore’s Law, I don’t foresee this level of performance becoming much more affordable in the future. Manufacturers will continue to tweak performance to keep the prices up, and while some parts like SSDs will lower in price in the near future, the proprietary closed architectures, linear power supply designs, etc really are where all the money goes with these units. |