Strange Behavior for New Tubes in Preamp


 A while back I had a tube get noisy in my Van Alstine T-10 RB pre-amp. It uses two of the JJE88CC and I ordered a new pair of their stock silver pin JJE88CC directly from Audio by Van Alstine. The new tubes arrived quickly and sound great and the noise (high pitched squeal) is gone. 

In the meantime I have consulted the AVA website and this pre-amp can also use: 6922,  ECC88, 6DJ8, 6CG7, and 6N1P tubes. I confirmed these numbers with someone at AVA and they said that using these numbers will not void my warranty, as long as they are 6 volt tubes.   After some research and asking questions I ordered a balanced and matched pair of JJE88CC Gold Pins, a pair of 6922, and a pair of matched 6N1P Voshkod Rockets. 

I used an interdental brush dipped in CAIG D5 cleaner, then tapped to remove excess to clean the tube sockets, even though my preamp is just shy of a year old. I install the Gold Pin JJE88CC and wait as they warm up. This is when things get weird. As they are warming up the slight noise (that sounds like steady static) gets louder and louder. At first I have to put my ear to the speakers to hear it but after 20 seconds I can hear the noise in my listening position eight feet away. It increases in volume each second until I shut off the preamp. This is with the preamp volume turned completely down. I thought maybe there was D5 cleaner residue causing trouble in or near the sockets but I had carefully used a blower and thought I did a good job removing residual cleaner.  So I re-installed the stock JJE88CC tubes I received from AVA and everything sounds like normal. Normal has been a slight static noise with my ear close to the speakers.

Today, after a week of using the same stock JJE88CC tubes, I try again the new Gold Pin JJE88CC tubes and same thing.... with the preamp volume turned clear down the noise starts out barely audible but builds until it can be heard across the room... at which time I shut off the preamp.  I let the tubes cool and remove them. I install the new Voshkod Rocket 6N1P and they sound great with the normal hiss that I'm used to if I put my ear to the speakers.

I let the preamp cool and replace the two 6N1P with the two new 6922. Same increasing loud noise but sounds more like a slightly crackly static instead of a steady monotone static or hiss.

I'm fairly new to tubes so I hope you folks have some ideas why it effects just the gold pin JJ and the 6922. Thanks.

foamcutter

In the Link Read the Post from 'pindac'

I have had Brand New Matched Tubes from modern production measured after receiving and the data produced was very very different to what I was informed I was to be supplied.

My Tester friend advised the Tubes should not be used as Amp Damage could be the result.

I took that advice and also got a full refund.

Do not do anything that might be damaging the Amp', pursuing the use of the Valves is not advised. Hold off on using the Valves and take the initiative to return them for a refund, there is nothing to lose, and any user of Valves should brace themselves as this could be a more than one occasion scenario

I myself have returned many Valves for a refund due to poor measurements discovered against the sales advertised condition info.

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/who-is-your-favorite-tube-seller

 

I would never use D5 in a tube socket (or anything that "coats").

This said, sounds like a bad tube.

Had a "contact" problem with  JJ 2A3's years ago and discovered that the pins were slightly smaller than the norm.

DeKay

Since you try different tubes that are almost the same but not identical, have you measured the voltage coming from the grid.  For example e88cc does not like more than 90 volt or less than 85 as for 6n1p they might like something around 100 volt but not less than 95 . Take the numbers with a pinch of salt and read the manufacturers recommendations to be shore 

Next is the current draw from the heaters , have the voltage regulator enough amps to heat the different tubes ?

@mashif - I tried the 'tapping treatment' too, and that did solve the first noise problem caused by something 'flaking off', and it was fine for awhile before making those really loud noises; I'm not going to risk my speakers. And I cooked these for quite a long time before using them.

I've been buying tubes a long time and I've never had any make noise just from being there, never mind loud horrendous noises - I do not consider that to be acceptable -  and these were Hytron Military 6SN7's. Maybe the gunshot noises were because they thought they were still in the military... 

@iseland Yes, some of those tubes may not be run within their design parameters. I can understand receiving bad tubes from time to time, but so many failures in such a short time? The other possible issue is amp no longer in spec, screeching original bad tube may have been result of misbehaving amp or perhaps that tube may have damaged amp to some extent.