Speakers that can reveal orchestral instruments' positions


Can you tell the positions of instruments in orchestra from your favorite orchestral music CD/SACD/LP/...?
For example, horns and percussion from the back and strings from the front?
Telling the left and right positions are not that hard, but the front and back? 
If your answer is convincing yes, could you tell me about your speakers/amps/source/cartridge and the recording?
I could feel a little bit of 3D imaging on my Apogee Diva, but not as much as I could when I listen to orchestral music from live concerts. I feel far less from my Harbeth C7es and Tyler Linbrook signature systems. 

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My answer to the original question is YES.  However the degree to which one can hear specific locations within a soundstage is dependent on the quality and synergy of equipment used.

I hear width, depth and height from my system, in my room.

My reference is a Jazz Quartet.   Can I close my eyes and point to the location of each musician ?    Does the soundstage allow me to see the drummer moving brushes along a cymbal ?  Is transient response good enough to hear the initial strike of a cymbal or drum head, then the sound of the material struck, then the decay of the note ?  Do I hear each drum head in distinct space ?   Does the image project brass notes as distinct notes, or blended together without much distinction ?   Does a vocalist move their head around the microphone ?

I have experienced pinpoint imaging, and answered YES to the above questions using the following speakers:

Triangle Titus 202
Rogers 15ohm LS3/5a
KEF LS50

The KEF are a recent acquisition and I am still tweaking location to achieve best performance.  Currently, they are about 6 ft apart, about 3ft from side walls and about 4ft from the back wall, and I sit about 6.5 ft way from the center line.  The cabinets are toed in slightly.  Imaging is superb (pinpoint again), along with frequency extension.  But I hear some upper bass/low midrange emphasis that affects vocals.  I understand that careful positioning can largely remove this issue.

The ability to hear pinpoint imaging was improved by changing to a Triode TRV-P845SE as my main amplifier.  I have also used recently restored MAC 225 and 240 to good effect.  I heard the Triode amp at several audio shows, and at each show the room it was in was among the best I heard.  I waited patiently, and finally acquired one at an attractive price.

Preamps have a significant impact on the image one hears.  I thought I was doing well using a Conrad Johnson PV5.  Then I acquired an Audible Illusions M3 preamp, which was a significant improvement.   A few years later, I upgraded to an Audio Research SP10-MKII.  WOW !  Not only pinpoint imaging across the space in front of me, but I could hear depth and height !   I could hear fingers moving up and down the neck of a standing bass.   I could hear the relative locations of a trumpet bell, and the mouth of a tenor saxophone.  Each occupied distinct space that could be identified as they played in unison.   More recently, I picked up an Audible Illusions M3B (current model). This pre retains the virtues of the ARC SP10, but has a silent background and better transient response. 

Equipment:   Linn LP12 ITTOK LVII / Denon 103D SS Ruby rebuild / Cinemag 3440 SUT   -or-  Technics SP25  AT1503 MKIII arm / Ortophon CG25DI MKIII MONO cartridge